Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

After spending some time with the manuals I am unable to use my 2nd 
DTXpressII brain (and kit) with my first DTXpressII brain (and kit).  
I am attempting to hookup via midi, and all the posts I have searched 
state it can be done but not 'how'.  Can someone post a link that 
would explain this or perhaps explain it 'down and dirty'.  I have 
limited experience with MIDI but I can read and comprehend the manual 
and your messages.

Thanks very much
D.

What are you trying to hook them up to at the same time?

If you are hooking them up to each other, why?
If you do that you would most definitly have to change ALL your note 
number assignments for all of the kits in one of the DTX modules, or you 
would have bothe units playing on heach pad hit, also the pad infor from 
the second kit would not be sent out the OUT of the first kits' OUT.. 
only its t THRU, but the pads from THAT kit would not go out its 
OUT...   ermmm..

Are you trying to record both into a sequencer at the same time? Then 
you will need an interface with multiple midi ins or a Midi merge device 
to bring both outs into one cable.

If all you do is play pads live then you really shouldn't need to hook 
them up with midi, unless you want the kits to both change when you 
change the 'master' kit.

We need to know more of the whole concept of what it is you need to do 
and the whys to effectivly give an answer.
sorry.

gord






webc1958 wrote:

> After spending some time with the manuals I am unable to use my 2nd
> DTXpressII brain (and kit) with my first DTXpressII brain (and kit). 
> I am attempting to hookup via midi, and all the posts I have searched
> state it can be done but not 'how'.  Can someone post a link that
> would explain this or perhaps explain it 'down and dirty'.  I have
> limited experience with MIDI but I can read and comprehend the manual
> and your messages.
>
> Thanks very much
> D.
>
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "webc1958" <delcamroy@s...> wrote:
> After spending some time with the manuals I am unable to use my 2nd 
> DTXpressII brain (and kit) with my first DTXpressII brain (and 
kit).  
> I am attempting to hookup via midi, and all the posts I have 
searched 
> state it can be done but not 'how'.  Can someone post a link that 
> would explain this or perhaps explain it 'down and dirty'.  I have 
> limited experience with MIDI but I can read and comprehend the 
manual 
> and your messages.
> 
> Thanks very much
> D.

D. and Gord,

This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only way to 
add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI. 
Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . . wrong at 
worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like 
Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the slave 
device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module. But if 
you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its own 
inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an inexpensive 
mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say it) 
Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output (not MIDI 
output) from both modules, collect them, and send them out yet again 
in a unified signal to headphones or amp. The mixer could also have 
the benefit of other line/mic inputs for other voices/instruments. 
With a little one for home use, all you'd probably need is one more 
stereo input for a CD player, or some other source, for you to 
practice with. Give us a call if you need further assistance with 
this method--assuming that it meets your needs.

Ed

D. and Gord,

>
> This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only way to
> add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI.
> Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . . wrong at
> worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like
> Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the slave
> device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module. 

And THAT would use MIDI...  you contradicted yourself...  This would 
also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run out, depending 
on the voice structure of the kit being played.

> But if
> you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its own
> inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an inexpensive
> mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say it)
> Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output 


But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the question. 
Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. wants could 
just serve to confuse the issue.
The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want to dive into a 
solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, always needs 
more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.

Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer system from an 
online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then complained that it 
was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built computer... just 
the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer never 
asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he got what he 
ordered, but not what he wanted.

I suggest everybody buy this book...  It won't solve all your questions, 
but it will definitely guide you into some greener pastures.. =)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0825610508/ref=pd_sim_books_4/102-6792562-9409739?v=glance&s=books

gord.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> D. and Gord,
> 
> >
> > This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only way 
to
> > add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI.
> > Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . . wrong 
at
> > worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like
> > Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the 
slave
> > device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module. 
> 
> And THAT would use MIDI...  you contradicted yourself...  This 
would 
> also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run out, 
depending 
> on the voice structure of the kit being played.

Gord.

I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected device-- 
like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--which has 
no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the DTXpress  
sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI 
connection. The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers for the 
purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the DTXpress 
itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used such a 
device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I fail to 
see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the only way to 
add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).

> > But if
> > you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its own
> > inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an inexpensive
> > mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say 
it)
> > Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output 
> 
> 
> But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the 
question. 
> Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. wants 
could 
> just serve to confuse the issue.
> The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want to dive 
into a 
> solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, always 
needs 
> more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.
> 
> Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer system from 
an 
> online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then complained that 
it 
> was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built computer... 
just 
> the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer never 
> asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he got 
what he 
> ordered, but not what he wanted.

True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of being 
wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've seen 
this situation come up a lot over the years on this board. Hazarding 
an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; nothing is 
etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to do all 
along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> > D. and Gord,
> > 
> > >
> > > This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only 
way 
> to
> > > add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI.
> > > Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . . 
wrong 
> at
> > > worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like
> > > Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the 
> slave
> > > device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module. 
> > 
> > And THAT would use MIDI...  you contradicted yourself...  This 
> would 
> > also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run out, 
> depending 
> > on the voice structure of the kit being played.
> 
> Gord.
> 
> I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected device-
- 
> like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--which 
has 
> no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the DTXpress  
> sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI 
> connection. The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers for 
the 
> purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the 
DTXpress 
> itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used such a 
> device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I fail to 
> see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the only way 
to 
> add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).
> 
> > > But if
> > > you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its 
own
> > > inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an 
inexpensive
> > > mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say 
> it)
> > > Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output 
> > 
> > 
> > But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the 
> question. 
> > Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. wants 
> could 
> > just serve to confuse the issue.
> > The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want to dive 
> into a 
> > solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, always 
> needs 
> > more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.
> > 
> > Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer system 
from 
> an 
> > online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then complained 
that 
> it 
> > was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built 
computer... 
> just 
> > the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer never 
> > asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he got 
> what he 
> > ordered, but not what he wanted.
> 
> True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of being 
> wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've seen 
> this situation come up a lot over the years on this board. 
Hazarding 
> an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; nothing is 
> etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to do all 
> along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.
> 
> Ed

Thank you for your feedback, I will clarify:  I have two full kits, 
with brains, now.  I just want a bigger kit. I was under the 
impression that you could connect one brain via midi  to the other 
and monitor the entire kit from the 'last' brain (ie. brain 2)... I 
suspectfrom reading some of the replies that it is ridiculously 
difficult to attempt and that the inexpensive 4-6 channel mixer would 
be the best option, yes?
Sorry for any confusion, but if there is a way to hook them up via 
midi for this type of monitoring (function)great (I just don't know 
how and the manual doesn't state it explicitly.  

Thanks again!
D.

> Gord.
>
> I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected device--
> like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--which has
> no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the DTXpress 
> sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI connection. 

The fact that he ALREADY had a second DTX module at his disposal I guess 
was missed by you. If he has one already, it makes no sense to go out 
and buy another trigger device, as you were suggesting. Plus the added 
polyphony... mmmmm polyphony...

> The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers for the
> purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the DTXpress
> itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used such a
> device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I fail to
> see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the only way to
> add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).

You said "...thinks that the only way to add a second module to a kit 
for more inputs is through MIDI. Actually, this method is redundant at 
best and, well, . . . wrong" Then you went on to describe hooking up an 
external trigger converter TROUGH MIDI. How else can you add inputs? 
That is the contradiction. And again, he has got two DTX boxes, so why 
bother with another one he would have to accquire?

I'm not sure I get what you mean by limited note numbers. Mine sends 
every one from #0 to #127, and is held individually with each kit and 
layer. What more do you want. Now I must admit that I have a DTXpress, 
not the mkII so, I could be wrong about this same implimentation on the 
mkII, but I should hope they didn't dumb it down...  Don't forget that 
in my system, the DTX is/can control everything in my system, and can be 
controlled by the sequencers too.. no problems here...

>
> True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of being
> wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've seen
> this situation come up a lot over the years on this board. Hazarding
> an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; nothing is
> etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to do all
> along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.


The inverse is also true.. you may confuse D. by giving premature advice 
without fully understanding what D. wants to do is an un-informed guess. 
Kind of like the advice you gave to LINKITOUT, you did not understand 
what he wanted and thus gave an incorrect remedy, and like what I did 
with CJA300 and mesh heads, I misunderstood and gave bad advice. A lot 
of incorrect advice is worse than no advice at all. Not saying you were 
wrong this time.. ok?  :-)    We are all guilty once and a while!
 
Love ya all!
Remember tomorrow is Krampusnacht

gord.

webc1958 wrote:

>
> Thank you for your feedback, I will clarify:  I have two full kits,
> with brains, now.  I just want a bigger kit. I was under the
> impression that you could connect one brain via midi  to the other
> and monitor the entire kit from the 'last' brain (ie. brain 2)... I
> suspectfrom reading some of the replies that it is ridiculously
> difficult to attempt and that the inexpensive 4-6 channel mixer would
> be the best option, yes?
> Sorry for any confusion, but if there is a way to hook them up via
> midi for this type of monitoring (function)great (I just don't know
> how and the manual doesn't state it explicitly. 
>
> Thanks again!
> D.


Ok,
Set up the kits to play... inputting all your desired pads.
Get a stereo 1/8" heaphone jack to two mono (left and right) 1/4" 
adapter cord or make one using adaptors.
Take the left and right audio output from one module and feed it into 
the aux input on front of the other module with the cord you just made.
PLAY MY FRIEND, PLAY!

No need for expensive things or MIDI, just a $10 cord from Radio Shack!
MIDI does not transmit any sounds, just data that says who did what, 
where, how hard and for how long. Kinda like Penthouse Forum.

gord.

Gord,

I started out with two complete DtxpressII kits. Using just two modules, I
did run a midi cable from module 1 to module 2 for the sole purpose of
sending a midi control change code for kit increment/kit decrement from a
BP80 connected to zone 9/10 on module 1 that would pass through to module 2.
By hitting the left pad of the BP80, both modules would go from kit 60 to
59, 59 to 58 etc. and by hitting the right pad of the BP80, both modules
would go from 58 to 59, 59 to 60, etc.   But even with that, all of the
sound was still sent out the left/right output jacks on the rear of the
modules to a mixer. My music sources were then fed directly into the mixer,
which gives me excellent control over sound levels between the three modules
and the music source.

When I got my third module and extra pads, I stop using the midi for that
purpose. (If your next question is "How did you do it?", at this point it
has been almost a year since I did it, I would be hard pressed to remember
the right settings without going back throught menus again.)

OGD

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	webc1958 [SMTP:delcamroy@...]
> Sent:	Friday, December 05, 2003 2:58 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> > > D. and Gord,
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only 
> way 
> > to
> > > > add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI.
> > > > Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . . 
> wrong 
> > at
> > > > worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like
> > > > Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the 
> > slave
> > > > device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module. 
> > > 
> > > And THAT would use MIDI...   you contradicted yourself...   This 
> > would 
> > > also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run out, 
> > depending 
> > > on the voice structure of the kit being played.
> > 
> > Gord.
> > 
> > I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected device-
> - 
> > like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--which 
> has 
> > no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the DTXpress   
> > sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI 
> > connection. The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers for 
> the 
> > purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the 
> DTXpress 
> > itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used such a 
> > device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I fail to 
> > see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the only way 
> to 
> > add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).
> > 
> > > > But if
> > > > you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its 
> own
> > > > inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an 
> inexpensive
> > > > mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say 
> > it)
> > > > Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the 
> > question. 
> > > Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. wants 
> > could 
> > > just serve to confuse the issue.
> > > The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want to dive 
> > into a 
> > > solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, always 
> > needs 
> > > more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.
> > > 
> > > Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer system 
> from 
> > an 
> > > online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then complained 
> that 
> > it 
> > > was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built 
> computer... 
> > just 
> > > the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer never 
> > > asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he got 
> > what he 
> > > ordered, but not what he wanted.
> > 
> > True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of being 
> > wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've seen 
> > this situation come up a lot over the years on this board. 
> Hazarding 
> > an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; nothing is 
> > etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to do all 
> > along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> Thank you for your feedback, I will clarify:   I have two full kits, 
> with brains, now.   I just want a bigger kit. I was under the 
> impression that you could connect one brain via midi   to the other 
> and monitor the entire kit from the 'last' brain (ie. brain 2)... I 
> suspectfrom reading some of the replies that it is ridiculously 
> difficult to attempt and that the inexpensive 4-6 channel mixer would 
> be the best option, yes?
> Sorry for any confusion, but if there is a way to hook them up via 
> midi for this type of monitoring (function)great (I just don't know 
> how and the manual doesn't state it explicitly.   
> 
> Thanks again!
> D.
> 
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Ok...?
I didn't need this info, but thanx... it was D. who had the problem..
gord



rdamon@... wrote:

> Gord,
>
> I started out with two complete DtxpressII kits. Using just two modules, I
> did run a midi cable from module 1 to module 2 for the sole purpose of
> sending a midi control change code for kit increment/kit decrement from a
> BP80 connected to zone 9/10 on module 1 that would pass through to 
> module 2.
> By hitting the left pad of the BP80, both modules would go from kit 60 to
> 59, 59 to 58 etc. and by hitting the right pad of the BP80, both modules
> would go from 58 to 59, 59 to 60, etc.   But even with that, all of the
> sound was still sent out the left/right output jacks on the rear of the
> modules to a mixer. My music sources were then fed directly into the 
> mixer,
> which gives me excellent control over sound levels between the three 
> modules
> and the music source.
>
> When I got my third module and extra pads, I stop using the midi for that
> purpose. (If your next question is "How did you do it?", at this point it
> has been almost a year since I did it, I would be hard pressed to remember
> the right settings without going back throught menus again.)
>
> OGD
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:      webc1958 [SMTP:delcamroy@...]
> > Sent:      Friday, December 05, 2003 2:58 PM
> > To:      DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:      [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> > > > D. and Gord,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only
> > way
> > > to
> > > > > add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI.
> > > > > Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . .
> > wrong
> > > at
> > > > > worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like
> > > > > Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the
> > > slave
> > > > > device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module.
> > > >
> > > > And THAT would use MIDI...   you contradicted yourself...   This
> > > would
> > > > also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run out,
> > > depending
> > > > on the voice structure of the kit being played.
> > >
> > > Gord.
> > >
> > > I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected device-
> > -
> > > like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--which
> > has
> > > no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the DTXpress  
> > > sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI
> > > connection. The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers for
> > the
> > > purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the
> > DTXpress
> > > itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used such a
> > > device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I fail to
> > > see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the only way
> > to
> > > add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).
> > >
> > > > > But if
> > > > > you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its
> > own
> > > > > inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an
> > inexpensive
> > > > > mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say
> > > it)
> > > > > Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the
> > > question.
> > > > Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. wants
> > > could
> > > > just serve to confuse the issue.
> > > > The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want to dive
> > > into a
> > > > solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, always
> > > needs
> > > > more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.
> > > >
> > > > Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer system
> > from
> > > an
> > > > online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then complained
> > that
> > > it
> > > > was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built
> > computer...
> > > just
> > > > the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer never
> > > > asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he got
> > > what he
> > > > ordered, but not what he wanted.
> > >
> > > True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of being
> > > wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've seen
> > > this situation come up a lot over the years on this board.
> > Hazarding
> > > an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; nothing is
> > > etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to do all
> > > along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.
> > >
> > > Ed
> >
> > Thank you for your feedback, I will clarify:   I have two full kits,
> > with brains, now.   I just want a bigger kit. I was under the
> > impression that you could connect one brain via midi   to the other
> > and monitor the entire kit from the 'last' brain (ie. brain 2)... I
> > suspectfrom reading some of the replies that it is ridiculously
> > difficult to attempt and that the inexpensive 4-6 channel mixer would
> > be the best option, yes?
> > Sorry for any confusion, but if there is a way to hook them up via
> > midi for this type of monitoring (function)great (I just don't know
> > how and the manual doesn't state it explicitly.  
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > D.
> >
> >
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My apoligies, that was a OOPs on my part. 

Gord's post are still moderated, which mean they get emailed to me (or
Ed/Vern) for prior approval before they are posted to the group. 

So when his reply to your post was sent to me for approval, I ended up
making a direct reply to you, instead of to the group (first time it's ever
happened!) . I caught what I did after I hit the "send" button.

I corrected this by waiting for his post to show up at dtxpress and
responsed to that with the same messege that was accidentally sent to you.

Again, sorry for sending it to you directly.

OGD  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	distortion@... [SMTP:distortion@...]
> Sent:	Friday, December 05, 2003 4:11 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> 
> Ok...? 
> I didn't need this info, but thanx... it was D. who had the problem..
> gord
> 
> 
> 
> rdamon@... <mailto:rdamon@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Gord,
> 
> I started out with two complete DtxpressII kits. Using just two modules, I
> did run a midi cable from module 1 to module 2 for the sole purpose of
> sending a midi control change code for kit increment/kit decrement from a
> BP80 connected to zone 9/10 on module 1 that would pass through to module
> 2.
> By hitting the left pad of the BP80, both modules would go from kit 60 to
> 59, 59 to 58 etc. and by hitting the right pad of the BP80, both modules
> would go from 58 to 59, 59 to 60, etc.    But even with that, all of the
> sound was still sent out the left/right output jacks on the rear of the
> modules to a mixer. My music sources were then fed directly into the
> mixer,
> which gives me excellent control over sound levels between the three
> modules
> and the music source.
> 
> When I got my third module and extra pads, I stop using the midi for that
> purpose. (If your next question is "How did you do it?", at this point it
> has been almost a year since I did it, I would be hard pressed to remember
> the right settings without going back throught menus again.)
> 
> OGD
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       webc1958 [ SMTP:delcamroy@...
> <mailto:SMTP:delcamroy@...>]
> > Sent:       Friday, December 05, 2003 2:58 PM
> > To:       DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject:       [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>, "emf"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> <mailto:liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>,
> distortion@r... wrote:
> > > > D. and Gord,
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the only 
> > way 
> > > to
> > > > > add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through MIDI.
> > > > > Actually, this method is redundant at best and, well, . . . 
> > wrong 
> > > at
> > > > > worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI device, like
> > > > > Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection from the 
> > > slave
> > > > > device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II module. 
> > > > 
> > > > And THAT would use MIDI...    you contradicted yourself...    This 
> > > would 
> > > > also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run out, 
> > > depending 
> > > > on the voice structure of the kit being played.
> > > 
> > > Gord.
> > > 
> > > I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected device-
> > - 
> > > like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--which 
> > has 
> > > no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the DTXpress    
> > > sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI 
> > > connection. The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers for 
> > the 
> > > purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the 
> > DTXpress 
> > > itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used such a 
> > > device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I fail to 
> > > see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the only way 
> > to 
> > > add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).
> > > 
> > > > > But if
> > > > > you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each with its 
> > own
> > > > > inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an 
> > inexpensive
> > > > > mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare I say 
> > > it)
> > > > > Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the 
> > > question. 
> > > > Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. wants 
> > > could 
> > > > just serve to confuse the issue.
> > > > The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want to dive 
> > > into a 
> > > > solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, always 
> > > needs 
> > > > more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.
> > > > 
> > > > Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer system 
> > from 
> > > an 
> > > > online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then complained 
> > that 
> > > it 
> > > > was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built 
> > computer... 
> > > just 
> > > > the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer never 
> > > > asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he got 
> > > what he 
> > > > ordered, but not what he wanted.
> > > 
> > > True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of being 
> > > wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've seen 
> > > this situation come up a lot over the years on this board. 
> > Hazarding 
> > > an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; nothing is 
> > > etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to do all 
> > > along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > Thank you for your feedback, I will clarify:    I have two full kits, 
> > with brains, now.    I just want a bigger kit. I was under the 
> > impression that you could connect one brain via midi    to the other 
> > and monitor the entire kit from the 'last' brain (ie. brain 2)... I 
> > suspectfrom reading some of the replies that it is ridiculously 
> > difficult to attempt and that the inexpensive 4-6 channel mixer would 
> > be the best option, yes?
> > Sorry for any confusion, but if there is a way to hook them up via 
> > midi for this type of monitoring (function)great (I just don't know 
> > how and the manual doesn't state it explicitly.    
> > 
> > Thanks again!
> > D.
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It has been a really long week I meant to say D's post are moderated.

OGD


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> My apoligies, that was a OOPs on my part. 
> 
> Gord's post are still moderated, which mean they get emailed to me 
(or
> Ed/Vern) for prior approval before they are posted to the group. 
> 
> So when his reply to your post was sent to me for approval, I ended 
up
> making a direct reply to you, instead of to the group (first time 
it's ever
> happened!) . I caught what I did after I hit the "send" button.
> 
> I corrected this by waiting for his post to show up at dtxpress and
> responsed to that with the same messege that was accidentally sent 
to you.
> 
> Again, sorry for sending it to you directly.
> 
> OGD  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	distortion@r... [SMTP:distortion@r...]
> > Sent:	Friday, December 05, 2003 4:11 PM
> > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> > 
> > Ok...? 
> > I didn't need this info, but thanx... it was D. who had the 
problem..
> > gord
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > rdamon@m... <mailto:rdamon@m...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Gord,
> > 
> > I started out with two complete DtxpressII kits. Using just two 
modules, I
> > did run a midi cable from module 1 to module 2 for the sole 
purpose of
> > sending a midi control change code for kit increment/kit 
decrement from a
> > BP80 connected to zone 9/10 on module 1 that would pass through 
to module
> > 2.
> > By hitting the left pad of the BP80, both modules would go from 
kit 60 to
> > 59, 59 to 58 etc. and by hitting the right pad of the BP80, both 
modules
> > would go from 58 to 59, 59 to 60, etc.    But even with that, all 
of the
> > sound was still sent out the left/right output jacks on the rear 
of the
> > modules to a mixer. My music sources were then fed directly into 
the
> > mixer,
> > which gives me excellent control over sound levels between the 
three
> > modules
> > and the music source.
> > 
> > When I got my third module and extra pads, I stop using the midi 
for that
> > purpose. (If your next question is "How did you do it?", at this 
point it
> > has been almost a year since I did it, I would be hard pressed to 
remember
> > the right settings without going back throught menus again.)
> > 
> > OGD
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:       webc1958 [ SMTP:delcamroy@s...
> > <mailto:SMTP:delcamroy@s...>]
> > > Sent:       Friday, December 05, 2003 2:58 PM
> > > To:       DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject:       [DTXpress] Re: How to for newbie
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>, "emf"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> <mailto:liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>,
> > distortion@r... wrote:
> > > > > D. and Gord,
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This may well be a case in which someone thinks that the 
only 
> > > way 
> > > > to
> > > > > > add a second module to a kit for more inputs is through 
MIDI.
> > > > > > Actually, this method is redundant at best and, 
well, . . . 
> > > wrong 
> > > > at
> > > > > > worst. If you were to use a dedicated input to MIDI 
device, like
> > > > > > Roland's TMC-6, you would indeed use a MIDI connection 
from the 
> > > > slave
> > > > > > device to access MIDI note numbers on the DTXPress II 
module. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And THAT would use MIDI...    you contradicted 
yourself...    This 
> > > > would 
> > > > > also run the possiblility of having the DTX polyphony run 
out, 
> > > > depending 
> > > > > on the voice structure of the kit being played.
> > > > 
> > > > Gord.
> > > > 
> > > > I was making the distinction between a purely MIDI-connected 
device-
> > > - 
> > > > like the TMC-6, the Kat MIDIKITI, the Roland PM-16 et al.--
which 
> > > has 
> > > > no sounds of its own, and a second sound module, of the 
DTXpress    
> > > > sort, which does not need to access its sounds through a MIDI 
> > > > connection. The DTXpress does have limited MIDI note numbers 
for 
> > > the 
> > > > purpose of a MIDI slave device used in conjunction with the 
> > > DTXpress 
> > > > itself, but many of us (including me, for years) have used 
such a 
> > > > device to good effect for as many as six or more inputs. I 
fail to 
> > > > see the self-contradiction (unless I were saying that the 
only way 
> > > to 
> > > > add inputs is via MIDI, and I'm not).
> > > > 
> > > > > > But if
> > > > > > you simply want the benefit of two drum modules, each 
with its 
> > > own
> > > > > > inputs, sounds, and audio outputs, what you need is an 
> > > inexpensive
> > > > > > mixer--on the order of the Rolls MX28 or one of the (dare 
I say 
> > > > it)
> > > > > > Behringers, or others--which can accept audio output 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But we don't know what D. wants, as we can't tell from the 
> > > > question. 
> > > > > Offering all these solutions without truly knowing what D. 
wants 
> > > > could 
> > > > > just serve to confuse the issue.
> > > > > The problem with tech questions is that we sometimes want 
to dive 
> > > > into a 
> > > > > solution without first totally identifying the TRUE needs, 
always 
> > > > needs 
> > > > > more WHYs to clarify and diagnose, then solve.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Reminds me of the story of a guy that bought a computer 
system 
> > > from 
> > > > an 
> > > > > online retailer... he got it all shipped, and then 
complained 
> > > that 
> > > > it 
> > > > > was all in pieces.. but he never did order a pre-built 
> > > computer... 
> > > > just 
> > > > > the parts... he never explained his needs, and the retailer 
never 
> > > > > asked... a buddy just told him what components to get... he 
got 
> > > > what he 
> > > > > ordered, but not what he wanted.
> > > > 
> > > > True, we don't know for sure, and all of us are capable of 
being 
> > > > wrong, misinformed, and unclear about many things. But we've 
seen 
> > > > this situation come up a lot over the years on this board. 
> > > Hazarding 
> > > > an informed guess at this point won't ruin anyone's day; 
nothing is 
> > > > etched in stone. And if this is indeed what D was trying to 
do all 
> > > > along, we may have skipped everyone an extra step or two.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your feedback, I will clarify:    I have two full 
kits, 
> > > with brains, now.    I just want a bigger kit. I was under the 
> > > impression that you could connect one brain via midi    to the 
other 
> > > and monitor the entire kit from the 'last' brain (ie. brain 
2)... I 
> > > suspectfrom reading some of the replies that it is ridiculously 
> > > difficult to attempt and that the inexpensive 4-6 channel mixer 
would 
> > > be the best option, yes?
> > > Sorry for any confusion, but if there is a way to hook them up 
via 
> > > midi for this type of monitoring (function)great (I just don't 
know 
> > > how and the manual doesn't state it explicitly.    
> > > 
> > > Thanks again!
> > > D.
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