Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

----- Original Message -----

From: jjcorley0000

To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:30 PM

Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Sysex Bulk Dump Data

I certainly am very familiar with a "gathering requirements"
phase building up a set of goals that can never be reached. I
definately plan to start small and see what happens from there.

Its actually for that reason (and issues I have with GPL) that I
don't plan on working within Jsynthlib. I certainly will offer the
application for free, but not via the GPL.

I do plan on supporting all the DTXpress models. The formats
between the II and III looking pretty close and it shouldn't be too
much more effort... testing will be my only issue as I will only
have the III. I'll need someone with a II, who won't mind if their
settings get FUBAR'd, to do some beta testing for me when I get to
that stage.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" wrote:
> These are all excellent ideas.
>
> From my point of view, with three modules, just being able to
> upload/download the kit settings and trigger settings, one module
at
> a time, into the PC, and editing them, would be a 1000 percent
> improvement.
>
> I would just suggest that unless you have alot a spare time on
your
> hands, which is probably not the case for most folks, is to keep
if
> basic and simple. If the project program becomes overly
complicated,
> trying to accommodate everybody's wishlist, then it may not get
> finished. (i.e. Drumb and Drumber Manual)
>
> At where I work, we would talk about generating a detail
> program/shreadsheet for panelboard calculations. The problem was
that
> a gigantic wishlist was generated and the project just never got
> complete. I went and generated a simple spreadsheet that does the
job
> and everybody is now using it. If we had waited for the perfect
> program, we would still be waiting and doing the calculations
> manually. I have updated the spreadsheet a dozen times over the
> years, as time became available and it is still being used.
>
> Since the Sysex, is slightly different for the Dtxpress I/II/III,
it
> maybe better to keep it simplier, so that it can be adapted for
use
> with all these modules, as oppose, having just one complex program
> for just one module. But if you end up with a dtxpress III, I
fully
> understand, spending you effect exclusively concentrating on it.
>
> But ultimately, you will have to decide on the difficulty factor
and
> your available time.
>
> If there are any specific technical information or question that
you
> need as your are working through the programming task, I can pass
>; them onto Yamaha, as they seem to be responding to my requests as
a
> moderator here, very quickly.
>
>
>
> OldGuyDrummer (OGD)
>
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Monsieur_Benoit"
> > > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > Basically, as far as I know about editor (for synths), you
should
> do with an editor/librarian :
> >
> > As a librarian :
> >
> > - open a sysex or request a dump (bulk dumps or partial dumps :
> only a song, a kit....)
> > - view all the data on screen, in a big array for exemple
> >; - move, switch or delete elements
> > - send the whole data, or just a part (a kit...)
> > - save the data, as sysex, and/or as proprietary if you're
adding
> stuff (comments, other informations)
> >
> > As an editor (most of the time in librarian, you double-click on
an
> element to edit it and an editor window opens) /
> > - change parameters (voices, effects...)
> > sometimes modules can accept realtime sysex, so when you're
> tweaking the patch on your computer, you're sending realtime
sysex,
> and so editing the sound directly in the buffer of the module.
> > but for old synths, or simpler modules, you can't edit in
realtime,
> so you have to request a dump / edit / send the data, and then you
> can hear the difference. I guess that the DTXpress systems are
> working with this second option.
> >
> > For examples, you can see some screenshots of a synth
> editor/librarian here : http://www.soundtower.com/synth/triton.htm
> > You can also download and try the demo version of Midiquest, a
> multi synth editor librarian :
> http://www.squest.com/Windows/MidiQuest-About.html
> >
> > Finally, once again, as you're planning to developp under Java,
I
> would recommend to have a look at Jsynthlib, an Open Source
Universal
> Synthesizer Patch Editor / Librarian written in the Java
Language. :
> http://www.overwhelmed.org/jsynthlib/
> >
> > Maybe you can add support of the DTXpress into Jsynthlib, or at
> least grab some code parts if you want to start from scratch...
> >
> > (another idea : I would maybe nice to have a tool for
translating a
> midifile into DTXpress language and then send it with sysex as a
> song... maybe a little bit out of the project)
> >
> > Hope this can help
> >
> >; Regards,
> >
> > Benoit
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jjcorley0000
> > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 8:43 AM
> > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Sysex Bulk Dump Data
> >
> >
> >
> > I noticed that the Sysex formats have been posted in the
> files
> > section. I read them over and they don't look terribly
> complicated.
> > Using the javax.sound.midi package it should be fairly
> > straightforward to build an application to manage this
> information.
> > Note that this will still have to wait until the DTXIIISP
arrives
> and
> > allocate a weekend or two to the task.
> >
> > What would people like to see in this application?
> >
> > ; A few ideas I had:
> > - XML (text based) format export/import so that people can
> hand
> > modify files or write other utilities to muck with them.
> > - A "my kits/songs/etc" so that you could create a really
> large
> > (limited only by disk space) db of these items and then pick
and
> > choose them for a certain "load". + List of Favorite loads.
> >; - The ability to multi-select items (ex: kits) and modify
> params
> > for all selected items in one action (ex: volume). Should be
> able to
> > do this absolute (ex: set to 70) or relative (ex: +10).
> > - Copy & Swap things from one kit to another.
> >
> > Hmmm, me thinks I'm talking myself into more than a
weekend
> or
> > two of work...
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jjcorley0000"
wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you post the information to the website or the files
> area
> > > here?
> > >
> > > While I reluctantly admit that I have the
skills/experience
> to
> > > handle such a task (Java/C++, GUI, embedded software,
mucking
> with
> > > bits in files):
> > ; >
> > > a) I'm waiting on the IIISP, so I don't yet have a
system
> for
> > > testing.
> > >
> > > b) I'm not sure how much time I can really dedicate to
> such a
> > > task.
> > >
> > > That said, I'd like to see the data formats so I can get
an
> > idea
> > > of the level of effort. If I were to put something
together,
> I'd
> > > likely do it in Java so our non-MS friends wouldn't be SOL.
> > >
> > >
> > >; --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer"
> > wrote:
> > > > Ok, I now have the Sysex Bulk Dump Data from Yamaha for
the
> > > > DTxpressII and DtxpressIII. Let's see if we can coordinate
> who
> > > wants
> > > > to tackle what, in generating a program for seting
> up/changing



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