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2004-11-25 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk
Hi Does anyone else find the pads harsh? I'm not talking about the sound, I'm talking about hitting them. It makes my wrists hurt after a while, and I don't remember that happening with a 'proper' kit. Would a pair of drumming gloves help? Is there a particular type I should get (what with Christmas coming and all :-) ) Cheers J
2004-11-25 by Stuart McConaghy
Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. And, as opposed to the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks, these actually do what it says on the package. Stuart McConaghy
On Nov 25, 2004, at 11:01 AM, john@... wrote: > > Hi > > Does anyone else find the pads harsh? I'm not talking about the sound, > I'm talking about hitting them. It makes my wrists hurt after a while, > and I don't remember that happening with a 'proper' kit. > > Would a pair of drumming gloves help? Is there a particular type I > should get (what with Christmas coming and all :-) ) > > Cheers > J > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress > > Alternate DTXpress site: > http://www.dtxpressions.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2004-11-25 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk
> > Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are > shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. <http://www.bigbangdist.com/ahead_st.htm> Goodness me what a lot there are. How do I choose between them? Assume I know nothing (you'll be pretty much correct) and am playing lively bluesy motown stuff thru to Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Cheers J
2004-11-25 by emf
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote: > > > > Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are > > shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. > > <http://www.bigbangdist.com/ahead_st.htm> Goodness me what a lot there > are. How do I choose between them? Assume I know nothing (you'll be > pretty much correct) and am playing lively bluesy motown stuff thru to > Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Unless Stuart comes back with a specific recommendation, I'd go with light sticks, maybe 5As or lighter. You don't have to hit electronic drums hard; the law of diminishing returns with force happens pretty quickly. Let the module settings do the work. Light sticks may help to alleviate any extra stress. Ed
2004-11-25 by Keith
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> wrote: > Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are > shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. And, > as opposed to the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks, these actually do what it > says on the package. > I have to disagree about the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks - I think they do a great job of cutting down vibrations, as do the Carbosticks. I haven't tried the Ahead ones. Keith.
2004-11-25 by Stuart McConaghy
I'll go with the same recommendation, 5A is a good allround model, not too light, not too heavy. And hit lightly, try to stay relaxed, especially when playing Motown. Like Ed said, let the module do the work. Stuart McConaghy
On Nov 25, 2004, at 12:21 PM, emf wrote: > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote: >>> >>> Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are >>> shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. >> >> <http://www.bigbangdist.com/ahead_st.htm> Goodness me what a lot > there >> are. How do I choose between them? Assume I know nothing (you'll be >> pretty much correct) and am playing lively bluesy motown stuff thru > to >> Red Hot Chilli Peppers. > > Unless Stuart comes back with a specific recommendation, I'd go with > light sticks, maybe 5As or lighter. You don't have to hit electronic > drums hard; the law of diminishing returns with force happens pretty > quickly. Let the module settings do the work. Light sticks may help > to alleviate any extra stress. > > Ed > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress > > Alternate DTXpress site: > http://www.dtxpressions.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2004-11-25 by Stuart McConaghy
I've experienced more vibrations being transfered to the wrists with Anti-Vibe sticks than with Aheads. In fact, I couldn't tell any difference between Anti-Vibes and regular wood sticks. I haven't tried Carbosticks, but when experimenting with older carbon-fiber sticks I found those vibrated like a puppy dog's tail...
On Nov 25, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Keith wrote: > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> wrote: >> Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are >> shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. > And, >> as opposed to the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks, these actually do what > it >> says on the package. >> > > I have to disagree about the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks - I think they > do a great job of cutting down vibrations, as do the Carbosticks. I > haven't tried the Ahead ones. > > Keith. > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress > > Alternate DTXpress site: > http://www.dtxpressions.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2004-11-27 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk
Hi On everyone's recommendation I bought some Ahead 5As yesterday, they were delivered today (thanks <www.giggear.co.uk>). I had a play this lunchtime and can't say I'm noticing much difference now. My wrists still ache. Maybe they're supposed to. I'm going to get some lessons so I get my posture and the way I hold my sticks correct, then I'll be back to y'all. Unless there are other things I should be trying? Oh, and on the subject of the Aheads, I don't understand the instructions. It talks about 'cover' replacement, but doesn't say what they mean by the 'cover'. It sounds like the almost ten inches of stick between the tip and the back end. Why would I want to replace that? Surely it's the tip that will break first. If that's the 'cover', what's underneath it? I should be playing with the 'cover' on shouldn't I? I mean, it's not something to protect the stick during travel that I should remove before playing. Considering they cost just shy of \ufffd30 I don't want to push and pull the things too much. Do they sell replacement covers and tips then? Also, the bit between the 'cover' and the rear part of the stick forms a couple of hard ridges which I'd have thought would irritate after a while because that's where you grip the stick. Smooth wood has no ridges. Am I missing something? This feels like the day I bought a Crass lp and played it for ages at the wrong speed. I quite liked it that way too. Cheers J
> I've experienced more vibrations being transfered to the wrists with > Anti-Vibe sticks than with Aheads. In fact, I couldn't tell any > difference between Anti-Vibes and regular wood sticks. I haven't tried > Carbosticks, but when experimenting with older carbon-fiber sticks I > found those vibrated like a puppy dog's tail... > > On Nov 25, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Keith wrote: > >> >> >> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> >> wrote: >>> Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are >>> shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. >> And, >>> as opposed to the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks, these actually do what >> it >>> says on the package. >>> >> >> I have to disagree about the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks - I think >> they >> do a great job of cutting down vibrations, as do the Carbosticks. I >> haven't tried the Ahead ones. >> >> Keith.
2004-11-27 by Stuart McConaghy
How hard are you hitting the pads? Are you relaxing your arms while playing, or are you cramping up? I agree with taking lessons, have your teacher examine your posture and stick technique, that will, along with the Aheads, help a lot. The replacement covers and tips are sold seperately, and aren't that expensive, much less than a pair of regular sticks. The cover is the plastic sheath between the tip and the metal ring which separates the striking area from the grip. You shouldn' t play without those, since it's an aluminium core beneath, which can damage an acoustic cymbal. You don't have to remove the covers. I don't find the "ridges" annoying at all, I hold my thumb and forefinger in that area, and it helps me keep the stick in the same position. I usually have problems with sticks slipping due to my hand sweat, so much that I use powder at gigs. Hope that helps, Stuart McConaghy
On Nov 27, 2004, at 10:48 AM, john@... wrote: > > Hi > > On everyone's recommendation I bought some Ahead 5As yesterday, they > were delivered today (thanks <www.giggear.co.uk>). I had a play this > lunchtime and can't say I'm noticing much difference now. My wrists > still ache. Maybe they're supposed to. > > I'm going to get some lessons so I get my posture and the way I hold > my sticks correct, then I'll be back to y'all. > > Unless there are other things I should be trying? > > Oh, and on the subject of the Aheads, I don't understand the > instructions. It talks about 'cover' replacement, but doesn't say what > they mean by the 'cover'. It sounds like the almost ten inches of > stick between the tip and the back end. Why would I want to replace > that? Surely it's the tip that will break first. > > If that's the 'cover', what's underneath it? > > I should be playing with the 'cover' on shouldn't I? I mean, it's not > something to protect the stick during travel that I should remove > before playing. Considering they cost just shy of £30 I don't want to > push and pull the things too much. > > Do they sell replacement covers and tips then? > > Also, the bit between the 'cover' and the rear part of the stick forms > a couple of hard ridges which I'd have thought would irritate after a > while because that's where you grip the stick. Smooth wood has no > ridges. > > Am I missing something? This feels like the day I bought a Crass lp > and played it for ages at the wrong speed. I quite liked it that way > too. > > Cheers > J > >> I've experienced more vibrations being transfered to the wrists with >> Anti-Vibe sticks than with Aheads. In fact, I couldn't tell any >> difference between Anti-Vibes and regular wood sticks. I haven't tried >> Carbosticks, but when experimenting with older carbon-fiber sticks I >> found those vibrated like a puppy dog's tail... >> >> On Nov 25, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Keith wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> >>> wrote: >>>> Gloves won't help at all. Try some Ahead sticks, those are >>>> shock-absorbent, and really help alleviate stress from the wrists. >>> And, >>>> as opposed to the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks, these actually do what >>> it >>>> says on the package. >>>> >>> >>> I have to disagree about the Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks - I think >>> they >>> do a great job of cutting down vibrations, as do the Carbosticks. I >>> haven't tried the Ahead ones. >>> >>> Keith. > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress > > Alternate DTXpress site: > http://www.dtxpressions.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2004-11-27 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk
> How hard are you hitting the pads? Well, I noticed someone here saying they get through a pair of sticks every couple of hours. Not that hard .. I don't think I've broken a stick for a long long time. I'm not sure whether I'm hitting hard or not. I do remember, however, seeing video of Charlie Watts who looked pretty old in the video, cranking out a cracking rhythm, but looking like he was happily stroking the cat on a Sunday afternoon. I'm guessing his style came out of necessity (as he got older). Or maybe he was always like that (I wasn't a fan at the time, too young). Or maybe he was just miming for the camera, who knows. Anyway, I noticed how you could create a great beat without looking like Animal. > Are you relaxing your arms while > playing, or are you cramping up? I may well be. How do you relax your arms while keeping a fast rhythm on the hi hat? Also, the aheads seem heavier than the sticks I've been using. So maybe that's offsetting the benefit. J
2004-11-27 by Stuart McConaghy
On Nov 27, 2004, at 11:40 AM, john@... wrote: >> Are you relaxing your arms while >> playing, or are you cramping up? > > I may well be. How do you relax your arms while keeping a fast rhythm > on the hi hat? > It's all in the fingers. Your fingers control the stick by holding it lightly (always hold your sticks in your fingers, not your hands), and your elbows and wrists do the moving. A lot of wrist pain comes from holding the wrists stiff. > Also, the aheads seem heavier than the sticks I've been using. So > maybe that's offsetting the benefit. > > Not at all, with proper technique you'll be able to use any weight and size stick with the same results.
2004-11-28 by Keith
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote: > Hi > > On everyone's recommendation I bought some Ahead 5As yesterday, they > were delivered today (thanks <www.giggear.co.uk>). I had a play this > lunchtime and can't say I'm noticing much difference now. My wrists > still ache. Maybe they're supposed to. > You are welcome to come round & try my Zildjian Anti-Vibes. Keith.