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Midi recording with multiple modules?

Midi recording with multiple modules?

2004-12-01 by zapaxe

Recently been learning midi and since I have multiple modules, I was 
thinking about midi recording.

Would I have to send 'each' module to a separate midi track into my 
Cubase computer? Or can I link module #1's midi out into modules 
#2's midi in, then module #2's midi out to my sound card?

I'm wondering about playing back the recorded midi from my Cubase 
computer, back to the modules. I mean the Cubase drum editor has 
specific lines for each drum, cymbal etc...So I'm guessing that 
sending each module into the computer separately would be the way to 
do it...?

Btw, my main reason for multiple modules is obviosly to have a 
number of trigger pads to beat on for different sounds:)

Steve

Re: Midi recording with multiple modules?

2004-12-01 by beeoof2

Steve,

Which version of Cubase are you using?  If you have SX and a 
multi-port midi intreface, you can choose an independent midi 
input for each MIDI Track.  You can simply record enable 2 
tracks, each channel 10, but coming from and going to their own 
MIDI port on the interface (disable midi thru or turn DTX Local 
Off).  

If you are using only one midi input to your computer such as 
found on a built-in sound card, you will need to set the cables as 
you mentioned (again with Cubase' midi thru off or DTX local off) 
and just record all the notes onto one track.  You might find that 
the 'doubling-up' effect I mentioned in answer to your last  
question may be a problem when looking at the edit windows.  
What'll happen is Cubase won't know which note #'s came from 
which "kit".  If you want maximum flexibility when editing your 
parts then I would try to set one of the modules to send on a 
different midi channel (other than 10, negating any "doubles").  
Set up one midi track with its channel setting set to "Any" 
allowing it to 'listen' to both kits.  You can separate the kits after 
you record with the "Dissolve Track" midi command.

If you need to record midi with doubled notes you can, but realize 
when you play that track back ALL notes will be doubled!  Not just 
the ones played from the OUT module.  If doubles are crucial to 
your sound it is better just to record your performance as audio if 
that's an option.

Hope these answers are helpful, happy e-drumming!

TomTom 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" 
<a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> 
> Recently been learning midi and since I have multiple 
modules, I was 
> thinking about midi recording.
> 
> Would I have to send 'each' module to a separate midi track 
into my 
> Cubase computer? Or can I link module #1's midi out into 
modules 
> #2's midi in, then module #2's midi out to my sound card?
> 
> I'm wondering about playing back the recorded midi from my 
Cubase 
> computer, back to the modules. I mean the Cubase drum 
editor has 
> specific lines for each drum, cymbal etc...So I'm guessing that 
> sending each module into the computer separately would be 
the way to 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> do it...?
> 
> Btw, my main reason for multiple modules is obviosly to have a 
> number of trigger pads to beat on for different sounds:)
> 
> Steve

Re: Midi recording with multiple modules?

2004-12-01 by zapaxe

Thanks Tom,

Hmmm...either way sounds like a challenge, and I do mostly record my 
drums in audio, so this would be easy as usual except NOW I have 
three modules.(only two hooked up now).
I'm using Cubase VST/32 5.1 and I have an Aardvark Q10 with a single 
midi in/out. But I've been using the 'To Host' midi cable to the 
back of my computer with my DTXpress I kit, so I actually have my 
regular midi at the Aardvark sound card free to use...I 'think' I 
can use the 'To Host' and reglar midi at the same time!...? Of 
course when I begin using my 3rd module? Eh, more complicated! I 
would then need a multi-midi thing...UNLESS I use two 'To Host' 
cables, then my regular midi?
The midi in/out/through option I've never tried and this doubling? 
Sounds like a mess. I've only just begun to use midi and only 
experimenting with it at this stage.

Thansk again, Steve


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "beeoof2" <tomg@o...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Which version of Cubase are you using?  If you have SX and a 
> multi-port midi intreface, you can choose an independent midi 
> input for each MIDI Track.  You can simply record enable 2 
> tracks, each channel 10, but coming from and going to their own 
> MIDI port on the interface (disable midi thru or turn DTX Local 
> Off).  
> 
> If you are using only one midi input to your computer such as 
> found on a built-in sound card, you will need to set the cables as 
> you mentioned (again with Cubase' midi thru off or DTX local off) 
> and just record all the notes onto one track.  You might find that 
> the 'doubling-up' effect I mentioned in answer to your last  
> question may be a problem when looking at the edit windows.  
> What'll happen is Cubase won't know which note #'s came from 
> which "kit".  If you want maximum flexibility when editing your 
> parts then I would try to set one of the modules to send on a 
> different midi channel (other than 10, negating any "doubles").  
> Set up one midi track with its channel setting set to "Any" 
> allowing it to 'listen' to both kits.  You can separate the kits 
after 
> you record with the "Dissolve Track" midi command.
> 
> If you need to record midi with doubled notes you can, but realize 
> when you play that track back ALL notes will be doubled!  Not just 
> the ones played from the OUT module.  If doubles are crucial to 
> your sound it is better just to record your performance as audio 
if 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> that's an option.
> 
> Hope these answers are helpful, happy e-drumming!
> 
> TomTom 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" 
> <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > Recently been learning midi and since I have multiple 
> modules, I was 
> > thinking about midi recording.
> > 
> > Would I have to send 'each' module to a separate midi track 
> into my 
> > Cubase computer? Or can I link module #1's midi out into 
> modules 
> > #2's midi in, then module #2's midi out to my sound card?
> > 
> > I'm wondering about playing back the recorded midi from my 
> Cubase 
> > computer, back to the modules. I mean the Cubase drum 
> editor has 
> > specific lines for each drum, cymbal etc...So I'm guessing that 
> > sending each module into the computer separately would be 
> the way to 
> > do it...?
> > 
> > Btw, my main reason for multiple modules is obviosly to have a 
> > number of trigger pads to beat on for different sounds:)
> > 
> > Steve

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Midi recording with multiple modules?

2004-12-03 by Tom Griffin

You should be able to use the Q10 midi and the "to Host" midi together
without a problem.  If you want to use 2 "To Host" connections then you may
have to set a separate DEVICE ID for those modules, because even though they
may be on individual serial ports, they share the same driver.  As you are
"only experimenting at this stage" let me say that midi (along with a solid
knowledge of how your modules and synths respond to midi) will offer you a
lot of creative flexibility without taxing your system as much as audio
does.  Especially when you get into sequencing other instruments besides
drums.  Happy playing!

TomTom
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: zapaxe <a_zapelectric@...>
Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:28:49 +0000
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Midi recording with multiple modules?



Thanks Tom,

Hmmm...either way sounds like a challenge, and I do mostly record my
drums in audio, so this would be easy as usual except NOW I have
three modules.(only two hooked up now).
I'm using Cubase VST/32 5.1 and I have an Aardvark Q10 with a single
midi in/out. But I've been using the 'To Host' midi cable to the
back of my computer with my DTXpress I kit, so I actually have my
regular midi at the Aardvark sound card free to use...I 'think' I
can use the 'To Host' and reglar midi at the same time!...? Of
course when I begin using my 3rd module? Eh, more complicated! I
would then need a multi-midi thing...UNLESS I use two 'To Host'
cables, then my regular midi?
The midi in/out/through option I've never tried and this doubling?
Sounds like a mess. I've only just begun to use midi and only
experimenting with it at this stage.

Thansk again, Steve


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "beeoof2" <tomg@o...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Which version of Cubase are you using?  If you have SX and a
> multi-port midi intreface, you can choose an independent midi
> input for each MIDI Track.  You can simply record enable 2
> tracks, each channel 10, but coming from and going to their own
> MIDI port on the interface (disable midi thru or turn DTX Local
> Off).  
> 
> If you are using only one midi input to your computer such as
> found on a built-in sound card, you will need to set the cables as
> you mentioned (again with Cubase' midi thru off or DTX local off)
> and just record all the notes onto one track.  You might find that
> the 'doubling-up' effect I mentioned in answer to your last
> question may be a problem when looking at the edit windows.
> What'll happen is Cubase won't know which note #'s came from
> which "kit".  If you want maximum flexibility when editing your
> parts then I would try to set one of the modules to send on a
> different midi channel (other than 10, negating any "doubles").
> Set up one midi track with its channel setting set to "Any"
> allowing it to 'listen' to both kits.  You can separate the kits
after 
> you record with the "Dissolve Track" midi command.
> 
> If you need to record midi with doubled notes you can, but realize
> when you play that track back ALL notes will be doubled!  Not just
> the ones played from the OUT module.  If doubles are crucial to
> your sound it is better just to record your performance as audio
if 
> that's an option.
> 
> Hope these answers are helpful, happy e-drumming!
> 
> TomTom 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe"
> <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > Recently been learning midi and since I have multiple
> modules, I was 
> > thinking about midi recording.
> > 
> > Would I have to send 'each' module to a separate midi track
> into my 
> > Cubase computer? Or can I link module #1's midi out into
> modules 
> > #2's midi in, then module #2's midi out to my sound card?
> > 
> > I'm wondering about playing back the recorded midi from my
> Cubase 
> > computer, back to the modules. I mean the Cubase drum
> editor has 
> > specific lines for each drum, cymbal etc...So I'm guessing that
> > sending each module into the computer separately would be
> the way to 
> > do it...?
> > 
> > Btw, my main reason for multiple modules is obviosly to have a
> > number of trigger pads to beat on for different sounds:)
> > 
> > Steve





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Re: Midi recording with multiple modules?

2004-12-04 by zapaxe

Hi Tom,

I did try to use both regular midi and the 'To Host' at the same 
time and though it was touch & go, it worked.
The 'To-Host' I especially like because it free's up my midi 
connection on my Aardvark card for my keyboard/synth without buying 
a multi-midi device.
As far as I can tell, the 'To Host' works just like any midi 
connection as far as getting midi to & from...Though I'm just 
beginning in the midi world.
I don't like to plug and unplug things in my studio since I play 
several instruments. I like to just pick up my guitar or bass, sit 
at the drums or keyboard etc, and pick something up and just 
play/record!
I actually find the 'To-Host' pretty cool, especially since it's 
only ONE cable to deal with! My studio is all cables already! :/
I 'think' my Alesis keyboard also as a 'To Host' of some sort? I'd 
like to look into the option of using the 'To Host' on both my 
DTXpress modules, but I'm led to believe that regular midi 
connections offer more than 'To Host'? Not sure what this may be...?
This separate ID you speak of???...Not sure what or how to do 
that...I didn't even know this existed!:o But I'll take a look when 
I get to this stage of using 2 "to Host's".
Yep, experimentation is a good way of learning:)

Thanks again, Steve


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Tom Griffin <tomg@o...> wrote:
> You should be able to use the Q10 midi and the "to Host" midi 
together
> without a problem.  If you want to use 2 "To Host" connections 
then you may
> have to set a separate DEVICE ID for those modules, because even 
though they
> may be on individual serial ports, they share the same driver.  As 
you are
> "only experimenting at this stage" let me say that midi (along 
with a solid
> knowledge of how your modules and synths respond to midi) will 
offer you a
> lot of creative flexibility without taxing your system as much as 
audio
> does.  Especially when you get into sequencing other instruments 
besides
> drums.  Happy playing!
> 
> TomTom
> 
> From: zapaxe <a_zapelectric@h...>
> Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:28:49 +0000
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Midi recording with multiple modules?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Tom,
> 
> Hmmm...either way sounds like a challenge, and I do mostly record 
my
> drums in audio, so this would be easy as usual except NOW I have
> three modules.(only two hooked up now).
> I'm using Cubase VST/32 5.1 and I have an Aardvark Q10 with a 
single
> midi in/out. But I've been using the 'To Host' midi cable to the
> back of my computer with my DTXpress I kit, so I actually have my
> regular midi at the Aardvark sound card free to use...I 'think' I
> can use the 'To Host' and reglar midi at the same time!...? Of
> course when I begin using my 3rd module? Eh, more complicated! I
> would then need a multi-midi thing...UNLESS I use two 'To Host'
> cables, then my regular midi?
> The midi in/out/through option I've never tried and this doubling?
> Sounds like a mess. I've only just begun to use midi and only
> experimenting with it at this stage.
> 
> Thansk again, Steve
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "beeoof2" <tomg@o...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > Which version of Cubase are you using?  If you have SX and a
> > multi-port midi intreface, you can choose an independent midi
> > input for each MIDI Track.  You can simply record enable 2
> > tracks, each channel 10, but coming from and going to their own
> > MIDI port on the interface (disable midi thru or turn DTX Local
> > Off).  
> > 
> > If you are using only one midi input to your computer such as
> > found on a built-in sound card, you will need to set the cables 
as
> > you mentioned (again with Cubase' midi thru off or DTX local off)
> > and just record all the notes onto one track.  You might find 
that
> > the 'doubling-up' effect I mentioned in answer to your last
> > question may be a problem when looking at the edit windows.
> > What'll happen is Cubase won't know which note #'s came from
> > which "kit".  If you want maximum flexibility when editing your
> > parts then I would try to set one of the modules to send on a
> > different midi channel (other than 10, negating any "doubles").
> > Set up one midi track with its channel setting set to "Any"
> > allowing it to 'listen' to both kits.  You can separate the kits
> after 
> > you record with the "Dissolve Track" midi command.
> > 
> > If you need to record midi with doubled notes you can, but 
realize
> > when you play that track back ALL notes will be doubled!  Not 
just
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > the ones played from the OUT module.  If doubles are crucial to
> > your sound it is better just to record your performance as audio
> if 
> > that's an option.
> > 
> > Hope these answers are helpful, happy e-drumming!
> > 
> > TomTom 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe"
> > <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Recently been learning midi and since I have multiple
> > modules, I was 
> > > thinking about midi recording.
> > > 
> > > Would I have to send 'each' module to a separate midi track
> > into my 
> > > Cubase computer? Or can I link module #1's midi out into
> > modules 
> > > #2's midi in, then module #2's midi out to my sound card?
> > > 
> > > I'm wondering about playing back the recorded midi from my
> > Cubase 
> > > computer, back to the modules. I mean the Cubase drum
> > editor has 
> > > specific lines for each drum, cymbal etc...So I'm guessing that
> > > sending each module into the computer separately would be
> > the way to 
> > > do it...?
> > > 
> > > Btw, my main reason for multiple modules is obviosly to have a
> > > number of trigger pads to beat on for different sounds:)
> > > 
> > > Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
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