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Drum tab translation feature

Drum tab translation feature

2005-01-15 by Stephanie Ellison

Hi gang!

I'm working with a software programmer who is updating his music notation
program with bug fixes and feature additions.  One feature I have asked for is
the ability for the notation program to take a drum tab sheet and decode it into
standard notation.  There is one at
http://drumtabdecoder.takethepowerback.de/index.php
Here you can paste in text and print it out.  However, there are a number of
issues.  You can't save the file, and it won't be able to take triplet 16ths or
quintuplets and render them that way.  It doesn't print all that great, either. 
But is the only one I know of that is available at all.

My question to you was posed by the programmer; is there a demand from drummers
who want to convert drum tabs to standard notation?

Let me know, and I'll see what I can give to the programmer.

Thanks!


=====
Stephanie Ellison AKA Deaf Drummer

deafdrummer.org

Re: Drum tab translation feature

2005-01-17 by guynthomas

I've been using this one for some time now and it's pretty good some 
difficulties with triples some times but otherwise it's a great 
product.

Other advanteges of this are that if you hook up the midi connection 
to your PC you can have the PC play through your DXP head so playing 
along to something whatching the music and hearing both yourself and 
the PC is a great learing tool.

Go hear and have a look

http://2112design.com/


Guy



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison 
<deafdrummer@d...> wrote:
> Hi gang!
> 
> I'm working with a software programmer who is updating his music 
notation
> program with bug fixes and feature additions.  One feature I have 
asked for is
> the ability for the notation program to take a drum tab sheet and 
decode it into
> standard notation.  There is one at
> http://drumtabdecoder.takethepowerback.de/index.php
> Here you can paste in text and print it out.  However, there are a 
number of
> issues.  You can't save the file, and it won't be able to take 
triplet 16ths or
> quintuplets and render them that way.  It doesn't print all that 
great, either. 
> But is the only one I know of that is available at all.
> 
> My question to you was posed by the programmer; is there a demand 
from drummers
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> who want to convert drum tabs to standard notation?
> 
> Let me know, and I'll see what I can give to the programmer.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> =====
> Stephanie Ellison AKA Deaf Drummer
> 
> deafdrummer.org

Re: Drum tab translation feature

2005-01-17 by guynthomas

Shoulda put this on my last post but forgot.

Does anyone know a quick way to get midifiles to either TABS or 
SCRIPT?

Don't seem to get all that many tabs for drum music.

Anyone help!

Guy



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison 
<deafdrummer@d...> wrote:
> Hi gang!
> 
> I'm working with a software programmer who is updating his music 
notation
> program with bug fixes and feature additions.  One feature I have 
asked for is
> the ability for the notation program to take a drum tab sheet and 
decode it into
> standard notation.  There is one at
> http://drumtabdecoder.takethepowerback.de/index.php
> Here you can paste in text and print it out.  However, there are a 
number of
> issues.  You can't save the file, and it won't be able to take 
triplet 16ths or
> quintuplets and render them that way.  It doesn't print all that 
great, either. 
> But is the only one I know of that is available at all.
> 
> My question to you was posed by the programmer; is there a demand 
from drummers
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> who want to convert drum tabs to standard notation?
> 
> Let me know, and I'll see what I can give to the programmer.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> =====
> Stephanie Ellison AKA Deaf Drummer
> 
> deafdrummer.org

drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-24 by Aaron L.

long time lurker. first time poster.
Is anyone using dfh superior with their dtxpress?
if so, what's your set-up? (I.E. processor speed, ram, etc.)
I'd really like to get something like this going.
Thanks for your time.
-a

Re: [DTXpress] drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-25 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk

Looks interesting, but, small irritation, the website doesn't state
the obvious .. it's software. Because you talked about using it with
the DT Express I wondered at first whether it was a replacement brain.
Now that would be interesting :-)

I use Linux, so that's kinda that.

Is it at all possible to use the DTExpress to fire samples on a PC?
Does it work/is it a good idea? For studio presumably but not for
gigging surely.

I'm in the middle of building a silent PC, wow it'll be fabulous to
work without the constant hum. I'll be able to hear myself think.

J
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> long time lurker.  first time poster.
>
> Is anyone using dfh superior with their dtxpress?
>
> if so, what's your set-up? (I.E. processor speed, ram, etc.)
>
> I'd really like to get something like this going.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> -a

Re: drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-25 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote:
> Is it at all possible to use the DTExpress to fire samples on a PC?
> Does it work/is it a good idea? For studio presumably but not for
> gigging surely.

You can hook up the DTXpress to a PC via MIDI and trigger samples. 
You just need to match note numbers attend to other interface 
matters. If software samples flip your skirt more than the module's 
samples do, why not? But, assuming that in the process, you bypass 
the module's own sounds, you are wasting one of its primary 
functions. Starting from scratch, someone cost-conscious might buy a 
trigger to midi interface without its own sound generator to trigger 
external samples. But if you have a DTXpress module already, it will 
work. Some people do this sort of thing live, though a module that 
doubles as a sampler is far more convenient. 

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-27 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote:
>> Is it at all possible to use the DTExpress to fire samples on a PC?
>> Does it work/is it a good idea? For studio presumably but not for
>> gigging surely.
>
> You can hook up the DTXpress to a PC via MIDI and trigger samples.
> You just need to match note numbers attend to other interface
> matters. If software samples flip your skirt more than the module's
> samples do, why not? But, assuming that in the process, you bypass
> the module's own sounds, you are wasting one of its primary
> functions. Starting from scratch, someone cost-conscious might buy a
> trigger to midi interface without its own sound generator to trigger
> external samples. But if you have a DTXpress module already, it will
> work. Some people do this sort of thing live, though a module that
> doubles as a sampler is far more convenient.

Well, one of the frustrations I have with the kit is the inability to
load my own samples. Listening to Real Gone, Tom Waits, there seem to
be the sounds of all manner of kitchen implements in there which are
unavailable to me through the DT Express. So, linking to a PC and
opening up a world of sampled drum sounds sounds interesting.

I'm wondering though, firstly, at a very basic level, if I recorded
the sound of me hitting a baking tray with a wooden spoon and set that
up as a sample, it would be a fairly unsubtle affair. I'd trigger,
presumably, the same sample, with the same dynamics every time. The
more subtle I wanted it, the more I'd need professional recording and
processing equipment and knowledge. And, there's the cost of the PC,
and the software, and the cables and so on. And then there's the PC's
unreliability when it comes to going out on the road.

Would it actually be simpler and cheaper to change the DTXpress brain
for something else that does allow you to import samples. Is there a
Yamaha upgrade path or would I be headed into Roland territory?

J

Re: drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-27 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote:
> Well, one of the frustrations I have with the kit is the inability 
to
> load my own samples. Listening to Real Gone, Tom Waits, there seem 
to
> be the sounds of all manner of kitchen implements in there which are
> unavailable to me through the DT Express. So, linking to a PC and
> opening up a world of sampled drum sounds sounds interesting.
> 
> I'm wondering though, firstly, at a very basic level, if I recorded
> the sound of me hitting a baking tray with a wooden spoon and set 
that
> up as a sample, it would be a fairly unsubtle affair. I'd trigger,
> presumably, the same sample, with the same dynamics every time. The
> more subtle I wanted it, the more I'd need professional recording 
and
> processing equipment and knowledge. And, there's the cost of the PC,
> and the software, and the cables and so on. And then there's the 
PC's
> unreliability when it comes to going out on the road.
> 
> Would it actually be simpler and cheaper to change the DTXpress 
brain
> for something else that does allow you to import samples. Is there a
> Yamaha upgrade path or would I be headed into Roland territory?

J.,

With a PC and a good sampling program you'd be able to process the 
kitchen sink to your heart's content. But the complexity of the 
setup, especially on the road, is the reason why modules are so 
attractive, unless you have a dedicated tech person and a big budget. 
If importing samples is an important feature for you, you might just 
as well leave the DTXpress behind. Roland won't help you, since none 
of its modules currently can accept samples (although people expect 
the hideously expensive TD-20 eventually to acquire that capacity). 

The only modules on the market that sample at this point are the 
exquisite-soundng ddrum4, which may be worth looking into, though, as 
a ten-year old model never upgraded in memory capacity and MIDI 
capability, it has significant practical limitations (I own one but 
not for sampling); the Alesis DM Pro, which is all but moribund; and 
the Yamaha DTXTIIU, which is probably your best bet (and a damn good 
module to boot). The Yamaha costs considerably less than the Roland 
high-end module, more like the TD-8. It doesn't have a tremendous 
memory for sampling, but maybe for your needs; OGD or someone else 
here, or at Yahoo DTXtreme or DTXperience.com, can probably give you 
some pointers. As far as getting the particular samples to sound good 
before they reach the module, you might look for individual 
collections of software samples that include what you want. 

Of course, the other thing you could do if you want to retain the 
DTXPress and not spend too much more money, is to try and find a used 
or otherwise affordable hardware sampler that you could use in 
conjunction with the DTXpress module.

Ed

RE: [DTXpress] Re: drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-27 by Aaron L.

Hey John. I think you could do what you're talking about with this. Check it out http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?reaktor_us
Sounds interesting!
-a
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-----Original Message-----
From: john@johnallsopp.co.uk [mailto:john@johnallsopp.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:50 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, john@j... wrote:
>> Is it at all possible to use the DTExpress to fire samples on a PC?
>> Does it work/is it a good idea? For studio presumably but not for
>> gigging surely.
>
> You can hook up the DTXpress to a PC via MIDI and trigger samples.
> You just need to match note numbers attend to other interface
> matters. If software samples flip your skirt more than the module's
> samples do, why not? But, assuming that in the process, you bypass
> the module's own sounds, you are wasting one of its primary
> functions. Starting from scratch, someone cost-conscious might buy a
> trigger to midi interface without its own sound generator to trigger
> external samples. But if you have a DTXpress module already, it will
> work. Some people do this sort of thing live, though a module that
> doubles as a sampler is far more convenient.

Well, one of the frustrations I have with the kit is the inability to
load my own samples. Listening to Real Gone, Tom Waits, there seem to
be the sounds of all manner of kitchen implements in there which are
unavailable to me through the DT Express. So, linking to a PC and
opening up a world of sampled drum sounds sounds interesting.

I'm wondering though, firstly, at a very basic level, if I recorded
the sound of me hitting a baking tray with a wooden spoon and set that
up as a sample, it would be a fairly unsubtle affair. I'd trigger,
presumably, the same sample, with the same dynamics every time. The
more subtle I wanted it, the more I'd need professional recording and
processing equipment and knowledge. And, there's the cost of the PC,
and the software, and the cables and so on. And then there's the PC's
unreliability when it comes to going out on the road.

Would it actually be simpler and cheaper to change the DTXpress brain
for something else that does allow you to import samples. Is there a
Yamaha upgrade path or would I be headed into Roland territory?

J




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RE: [DTXpress] Re: drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-27 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk

> Hey John.  I think you could do what you're talking about with this.
> Check it out http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?reaktor_us
>
> Sounds interesting!
> -a

I have a soft spot for their soft synth, from the days when I used to
play with such stuff, thanks for the pointer.

J

Re: [DTXpress] Re: drumkit from hell with dtexpress??

2005-03-27 by john@johnallsopp.co.uk

> With a PC and a good sampling program you'd be able to process the
> kitchen sink to your heart's content. But the complexity of the
> setup, especially on the road, is the reason why modules are so
> attractive, unless you have a dedicated tech person and a big budget.
> If importing samples is an important feature for you, you might just
> as well leave the DTXpress behind. Roland won't help you, since none
> of its modules currently can accept samples (although people expect
> the hideously expensive TD-20 eventually to acquire that capacity).
>
> The only modules on the market that sample at this point are the
> exquisite-soundng ddrum4, which may be worth looking into, though, as
> a ten-year old model never upgraded in memory capacity and MIDI
> capability, it has significant practical limitations (I own one but
> not for sampling); the Alesis DM Pro, which is all but moribund; and
> the Yamaha DTXTIIU, which is probably your best bet (and a damn good
> module to boot). The Yamaha costs considerably less than the Roland
> high-end module, more like the TD-8. It doesn't have a tremendous
> memory for sampling, but maybe for your needs; OGD or someone else
> here, or at Yahoo DTXtreme or DTXperience.com, can probably give you
> some pointers. As far as getting the particular samples to sound good
> before they reach the module, you might look for individual
> collections of software samples that include what you want.
>
> Of course, the other thing you could do if you want to retain the
> DTXPress and not spend too much more money, is to try and find a used
> or otherwise affordable hardware sampler that you could use in
> conjunction with the DTXpress module.
>
> Ed

Thanks, that's all wonderfully useful stuff .. I'll need a little time
to digest it :-)

J

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