Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Apparently there is an age-old state of confusion that exists with 
DTXpress systems and the relationship between drum kit definitions, 
voices, and self-recorded (pad) songs, and I've fallen victim to it.

I've read postings here and elsewhere suggesting changing songs' 
MIDI channel to 6 and PCNo to the kit no (or not), and have only had 
success actually using MIDI channel 10 in retaining voice mappings.

Here's the aim: To record any number of songs, with voices from any 
number of kits whose definitions may or may not be retained in the 
system after recording, and initiate playing of those songs from any 
pad in any kit so that the original voices of the song are still 
heard.

Is this possible?

I've figured out how to record a song, map it to a specific kit, and 
assign a pad in (that) kit to play the specific song.

What I can't do yet:

- record a song and have it play back in the original voices where 
the kit definition (or original voices) no longer exists

- start multiple songs, originally recorded with different kit 
definitions from a single kit's pads that have nothing to do with 
the recorded songs.

Should I be looking at a better understanding of internal MIDI 
channels and pad songs (ref. man. 2-7, pg 20-21)?  It appears that 
the kit definition needs to be retained for the song to sound 
correctly.

The reference manual suggests up to 3 pad songs can be defined in a 
kit, being transmitted on different MIDI channels.  Does that mean 
that those pad songs have to have been recorded with the existing 
voices of the corresponding kit used to initiate playing through a 
pad?

Hey, thanks for any inspired responses. This thing can do more than 
I've figured out, but it would be nice to have a clear picture what 
a realistic expectation would be.

Galen

Never mind.  I've got bigger problems, "out of memory".  I'm now 
hooking my laptop up with the promise that things will get even more 
complicated.

Galen

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gwork2000" <gwork@w...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Apparently there is an age-old state of confusion that exists with 
> DTXpress systems and the relationship between drum kit 
definitions, 
> voices, and self-recorded (pad) songs, and I've fallen victim to 
it.
> 
> I've read postings here and elsewhere suggesting changing songs' 
> MIDI channel to 6 and PCNo to the kit no (or not), and have only 
had 
> success actually using MIDI channel 10 in retaining voice mappings.
> 
> Here's the aim: To record any number of songs, with voices from 
any 
> number of kits whose definitions may or may not be retained in the 
> system after recording, and initiate playing of those songs from 
any 
> pad in any kit so that the original voices of the song are still 
> heard.
> 
> Is this possible?
> 
> I've figured out how to record a song, map it to a specific kit, 
and 
> assign a pad in (that) kit to play the specific song.
> 
> What I can't do yet:
> 
> - record a song and have it play back in the original voices where 
> the kit definition (or original voices) no longer exists
> 
> - start multiple songs, originally recorded with different kit 
> definitions from a single kit's pads that have nothing to do with 
> the recorded songs.
> 
> Should I be looking at a better understanding of internal MIDI 
> channels and pad songs (ref. man. 2-7, pg 20-21)?  It appears that 
> the kit definition needs to be retained for the song to sound 
> correctly.
> 
> The reference manual suggests up to 3 pad songs can be defined in 
a 
> kit, being transmitted on different MIDI channels.  Does that mean 
> that those pad songs have to have been recorded with the existing 
> voices of the corresponding kit used to initiate playing through a 
> pad?
> 
> Hey, thanks for any inspired responses. This thing can do more 
than 
> I've figured out, but it would be nice to have a clear picture 
what 

> a realistic expectation would be.
> 
> Galen

I think this is one of the pitfalls to the dedicated drum modules, the
limited internal memory. But with this limitation comes low price. I
guess if the modules came with 1 gb of internal memory for storage, if
would end up being three or four times the cost. Even with the Dtxtreme
IIS module that cost $1000 compared to $350 for the Dxtpress module, you
have limited internal memory for storage of songs and samples. So for
anything but the simpliest of things, you in most case with need to go
with external hardware/software.
 
OGD

________________________________

From: gwork2000 [] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:22 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Am I dreaming, or can this be done



Never mind.  I've got bigger problems, "out of memory".  I'm now 
hooking my laptop up with the promise that things will get even more 
complicated.

Galen

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gwork2000" <gwork@w...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Apparently there is an age-old state of confusion that exists with 
> DTXpress systems and the relationship between drum kit 
definitions, 
> voices, and self-recorded (pad) songs, and I've fallen victim to 
it.
> 
> I've read postings here and elsewhere suggesting changing songs' 
> MIDI channel to 6 and PCNo to the kit no (or not), and have only 
had 
> success actually using MIDI channel 10 in retaining voice mappings.
> 
> Here's the aim: To record any number of songs, with voices from 
any 
> number of kits whose definitions may or may not be retained in the 
> system after recording, and initiate playing of those songs from 
any 
> pad in any kit so that the original voices of the song are still 
> heard.
> 
> Is this possible?
> 
> I've figured out how to record a song, map it to a specific kit, 
and 
> assign a pad in (that) kit to play the specific song.
> 
> What I can't do yet:
> 
> - record a song and have it play back in the original voices where 
> the kit definition (or original voices) no longer exists
> 
> - start multiple songs, originally recorded with different kit 
> definitions from a single kit's pads that have nothing to do with 
> the recorded songs.
> 
> Should I be looking at a better understanding of internal MIDI 
> channels and pad songs (ref. man. 2-7, pg 20-21)?  It appears that 
> the kit definition needs to be retained for the song to sound 
> correctly.
> 
> The reference manual suggests up to 3 pad songs can be defined in 
a 
> kit, being transmitted on different MIDI channels.  Does that mean 
> that those pad songs have to have been recorded with the existing 
> voices of the corresponding kit used to initiate playing through a 
> pad?
> 
> Hey, thanks for any inspired responses. This thing can do more 
than 
> I've figured out, but it would be nice to have a clear picture 
what 
> a realistic expectation would be.
> 
> Galen





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