Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

the pintech concertcast, while being cheaper than a roland, does not 
work on a dtxpress very well at all.  it picks up the slightest hits 
at 80% and the medium hits at 99% and without buying additional 
equipment, it is terrible to a drummer who varies the force of his 
snare hits, which i hope is all of us.  i am returning mine right away 
and would like to stop others from making the same mistake.  the worst 
thing is the foam colum up the middle triggering system, because if 
you hit anywhere near the foam (which is right in the middle, you get 
both a different feel and sound).  caveat emptor (buyer beware)

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fjcelauro" <fjcelauro@y...> wrote:
> the pintech concertcast, while being cheaper than a roland, does not 
> work on a dtxpress very well at all.  it picks up the slightest hits 
> at 80% and the medium hits at 99% and without buying additional 
> equipment, it is terrible to a drummer who varies the force of his 
> snare hits, which i hope is all of us.  i am returning mine right 
away 
> and would like to stop others from making the same mistake.  the 
worst 
> thing is the foam colum up the middle triggering system, because if 
> you hit anywhere near the foam (which is right in the middle, you 
get 
> both a different feel and sound).  caveat emptor (buyer beware)

Please be careful about what you advise people to do or not do on this 
board. We're certainly interested in your successes and failures, but 
blanket assertions from people with limited experience on edrums must 
be taken with a grain of salt. The Pintech CCs have a long history of 
use by resourceful DTXpress owners over the years, even though the 
match isn't necessarily made in heaven out of the box.  Until you've 
accumulated the kind of varied information about your own kit that 
many others who visit here (and elsewhere) earn and demonstrate, as 
well as about other components and techniques associated with edrums, 
you might do well taking the more humble approach. 

The DTXpress was made first and foremost for use with DTXpress 
components, and secondarily for use with other Yamaha components (like 
some of those associated with the DTXtremeIIS). It takes some 
knowledge of how modules and edrums work in general to get in a 
position to adapt other manufacturers' components with it.  Many of us 
have been here a long time; we haven't been sitting on our hands for 
the better part of five or six years waiting for you to show up to 
tell us what works and what doesn't.  

Ed

i would never have put such a bold statement if I hadn't been on the phone with pintech for over 40 minutes with them telling me that i should change this, now change that back, try it now with the yamaha pad and see if it works, ok it works?  change it back to that and see if that sounds better.  it didn't sound better.  they literally did everything i could and when i told her that the lightest hit i could perform still hit at 68%, she said well that's "to be expected."  plus my opinion about the futility of the triggering system via a foam column up the middle of the inside that presses quite annoyingly against the outside of the head was purely subjective by nature.  the fact is that the women from pintech admitted to me on the phone quite bluntly that the concertcast is "NOT A GOOD MATCH FOR THE DTXPRESS."  Can i be blamed for wanting to warn others from making the mistake that i did?  No.  Can I be blamed for saying something doesn't work when I tried everything and anything
 for two weeks to make it do so? No.  I understand your concern and I had no intention of sounding like I knew everything there is to know, and certainly didn't intend to make others feel like they had been "sitting on their hands...waiting for me to show up and tell you what works."  But Ed, the indisputable fact is that by Pintech's own admission, it does not work well with the kit that everyone in this forum plays, and therefore, it should not be purchased for use with the DTXpress.  If you know something the technical support line at pintech world does, then i will wholly retract my last post, but we also spoke about possible additions from other companies to make it work, and nothing available would be worth the price.  at one point, she suggested i buy a different module to make a trigger pad work.  I was attempting to protect others from  wasting their money.  If this is an open forum about the DTXpress, then things regarding the DTXpress, both good and bad, should be posted. 
 And I am not libel because I gave a subjective opinion based on extensive efforts to make the trigger work.  you've been a great help in the past and your knowledge of edrumming and im sure drumming in general far far far surpasses mine.  however, and i mean no offense, but the same is not true about the pintech concercast and its compatibility with the DTXpress.  this doesn't change the fact that you are the man ed, and i mean that with the high level of respect you deserve as you are, from what i have seen, the most knowledgable and willing to help member of our forum.  in the future, i will exercise more caution in making such inflammatory statements, but that still doesn't change the substance of my last post, or my intentions in making the post.
Humbly,
Frank

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fjcelauro" <fjcelauro@y...> wrote:
> the pintech concertcast, while being cheaper than a roland, does not 
> work on a dtxpress very well at all.  it picks up the slightest hits 
> at 80% and the medium hits at 99% and without buying additional 
> equipment, it is terrible to a drummer who varies the force of his 
> snare hits, which i hope is all of us.  i am returning mine right 
away 
> and would like to stop others from making the same mistake.  the 
worst 
> thing is the foam colum up the middle triggering system, because if 
> you hit anywhere near the foam (which is right in the middle, you 
get 
> both a different feel and sound).  caveat emptor (buyer beware)

Please be careful about what you advise people to do or not do on this 
board. We're certainly interested in your successes and failures, but 
blanket assertions from people with limited experience on edrums must 
be taken with a grain of salt. The Pintech CCs have a long history of 
use by resourceful DTXpress owners over the years, even though the 
match isn't necessarily made in heaven out of the box.  Until you've 
accumulated the kind of varied information about your own kit that 
many others who visit here (and elsewhere) earn and demonstrate, as 
well as about other components and techniques associated with edrums, 
you might do well taking the more humble approach. 

The DTXpress was made first and foremost for use with DTXpress 
components, and secondarily for use with other Yamaha components (like 
some of those associated with the DTXtremeIIS). It takes some 
knowledge of how modules and edrums work in general to get in a 
position to adapt other manufacturers' components with it.  Many of us 
have been here a long time; we haven't been sitting on our hands for 
the better part of five or six years waiting for you to show up to 
tell us what works and what doesn't.  

Ed





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Frank, I understand your being upset by Ed's response because you knew that  
you had gotten your information from Pintech. Ed did not know this nor did  
anyone else by your original posting. I thought the same thing that Ed did. Who  
is this guy? How can he make such a claim? How much does he really know about 
 electronic kits and how to adjust the different parameters? Next time start 
off  your posting with something like, "After talking to Pintech directly for 
20  minutes I advise everyone not to use the ConcertCast pads with the DTX 
Express.  Here is why........"
 
Sincerely,
 
Claudio Ortiz
 
Keep on drummin'

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, MrPhoney@a... wrote:
> Frank, I understand your being upset by Ed's response because you 
knew that  
> you had gotten your information from Pintech. Ed did not know this 
nor did  
> anyone else by your original posting. I thought the same thing that 
Ed did. Who  
> is this guy? How can he make such a claim? How much does he really 
know about 
>  electronic kits and how to adjust the different parameters? Next 
time start 
> off  your posting with something like, "After talking to Pintech 
directly for 
> 20  minutes I advise everyone not to use the ConcertCast pads with 
the DTX 
> Express.  Here is why........"

Claudio and Frank,

I appreciate both of your responses. But the fact is that many people 
through the years have adapted the Pintech CC to the DTXpress, warts 
and all. Some of them have inserted the 250k pot between it and the 
module, thereby achieving the dynamic range that is at issue here and 
still managing to keep costs down. Some of them have found other ways 
of adapting it. Now, the truth of the matter is that Brian LaRue, who 
used to run the day-to-day operations of Pintech before he left for a 
position at Taye drums, was a friend of mine and a contributing 
member of this group. He and I had discussions about trying to add 
sensitivity control to the Pintech pads as a direct way to compensate 
for what the DTXpress cannot do without external tweaking. 
Unfortunately, this plan, and others at Pintech, didn't come to 
fruition, because of Brian's abrupt departure. We started another 
group on Yahoo (Pintech/Visu-lite Group) that might have been able to 
deal further with some of these issues, but our schedules didn't work 
out. I offered this group to Pintech for a tech support outlet, 
specifically to Rick Koppen, who seemed receptive at the time, but 
the interest didn't materialize. I did some tech support for Brian 
concerning the use of the CCs with Yamaha equipment. Some of my 
contacts were individuals, and some were stores. Some of them took my 
suggestions, and some of them didn't, couldn't, or wouldn't. 

Advising people not to use Pintech CCs with the DTXpress not only 
flies in the face of what members have done for years; it doesn't 
take into account the fact that many people are handy enough to 
tackle small DIY projects. You have said, "The Pintech ConcertCast 
meshes out of the box diminish dynamic range when used with the 
DTXpress module. If you're not prepared to take extra steps to 
integrate it into your kit, you might not want to buy it." Check out 
Ernie's post from a couple of days ago. He's experimenting with 
finding ways to soften the shock from hitting Yamaha's rubber pads.  
His reasoning is basically, "if there's a will, there may be a way."  
He's going to a lot of trouble. He might have written to the 
board, "The rubber pads that come with the DTXPress do not absorb 
enough vibration to protect the hands and wrists from pain and 
possible damage. Do not use them." You'll notice that he didn't.

Ed

your right, i was just pretty angry when after being on the phone with this lady and asking her, well what can i do?  she told me to buy a pintech module, and i almost hung up.  No one else finds the foam column up the middle to be excruciatingly annoying?  if you hit it any where close enough or directly on it, it affects the bounce and it doesn't seem to pick up flams or closely-timed hits to the opposite sides of the foam column. i thought it was so weird that my only conclusion was that it was for shipping purposes because it couldnt be made to play like that. thanks agina guys and ill keep it calmer in the future.
frank

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, MrPhoney@a... wrote:
> Frank, I understand your being upset by Ed's response because you 
knew that  
> you had gotten your information from Pintech. Ed did not know this 
nor did  
> anyone else by your original posting. I thought the same thing that 
Ed did. Who  
> is this guy? How can he make such a claim? How much does he really 
know about 
>  electronic kits and how to adjust the different parameters? Next 
time start 
> off  your posting with something like, "After talking to Pintech 
directly for 
> 20  minutes I advise everyone not to use the ConcertCast pads with 
the DTX 
> Express.  Here is why........"

Claudio and Frank,

I appreciate both of your responses. But the fact is that many people 
through the years have adapted the Pintech CC to the DTXpress, warts 
and all. Some of them have inserted the 250k pot between it and the 
module, thereby achieving the dynamic range that is at issue here and 
still managing to keep costs down. Some of them have found other ways 
of adapting it. Now, the truth of the matter is that Brian LaRue, who 
used to run the day-to-day operations of Pintech before he left for a 
position at Taye drums, was a friend of mine and a contributing 
member of this group. He and I had discussions about trying to add 
sensitivity control to the Pintech pads as a direct way to compensate 
for what the DTXpress cannot do without external tweaking. 
Unfortunately, this plan, and others at Pintech, didn't come to 
fruition, because of Brian's abrupt departure. We started another 
group on Yahoo (Pintech/Visu-lite Group) that might have been able to 
deal further with some of these issues, but our schedules didn't work 
out. I offered this group to Pintech for a tech support outlet, 
specifically to Rick Koppen, who seemed receptive at the time, but 
the interest didn't materialize. I did some tech support for Brian 
concerning the use of the CCs with Yamaha equipment. Some of my 
contacts were individuals, and some were stores. Some of them took my 
suggestions, and some of them didn't, couldn't, or wouldn't. 

Advising people not to use Pintech CCs with the DTXpress not only 
flies in the face of what members have done for years; it doesn't 
take into account the fact that many people are handy enough to 
tackle small DIY projects. You have said, "The Pintech ConcertCast 
meshes out of the box diminish dynamic range when used with the 
DTXpress module. If you're not prepared to take extra steps to 
integrate it into your kit, you might not want to buy it." Check out 
Ernie's post from a couple of days ago. He's experimenting with 
finding ways to soften the shock from hitting Yamaha's rubber pads.  
His reasoning is basically, "if there's a will, there may be a way."  
He's going to a lot of trouble. He might have written to the 
board, "The rubber pads that come with the DTXPress do not absorb 
enough vibration to protect the hands and wrists from pain and 
possible damage. Do not use them." You'll notice that he didn't.

Ed 





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