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Mesh snares

Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Keith

Hi,

I had the chance to briefly try a Roland mesh pad on my DTXpress
yesterday and noticed it was very easy to do a drum roll, something I
find difficult on the DTXpress and DTXtreme pads (I have the 10"
DTXtreme pad for my snare).  Is it just me being a cr@p drummer, or is
this just the problem of rubber versus mesh?

Having seen the price of a 10" Roland pad I am not going to rush out
and buy one, but noticed that the Pintech Concert Cast 10" dual zone
is not too bad a price.  Will that perform similarly to the Roland?

Thanks.

Keith.

p.s. the line on a diode corresponds to the bar at the end of the
arrow on the diagram.

Re: [DTXpress] Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Stephanie Ellison

>  I had the chance to briefly try a Roland mesh pad on my DTXpress
>  yesterday and noticed it was very easy to do a drum roll, something I
>  find difficult on the DTXpress and DTXtreme pads (I have the 10"
>  DTXtreme pad for my snare).  Is it just me being a cr@p drummer, or is
>  this just the problem of rubber versus mesh?

I think you just have to practice on doing the rolls on a hard surface.  I can 
do it, but it feels different, so I have to adjust my technique accordingly.

-- 
Stephanie Ellison

deafdrummer.org

Re: [DTXpress] Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Desco

Hey Keith we talk about this stuff all the time in the DIYedrums group... I came here to check you guys out, maybe you should check us out some time. :) You re

Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison <deafdrummer@d...>
wrote:

> 
> I think you just have to practice on doing the rolls on a hard
surface.  I can 
> do it, but it feels different, so I have to adjust my technique
accordingly.

Thanks for the feedback.  I have no technique to adjust, so I will
have to acquire one!

Keith.

Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Desco <desco@m...> wrote:
> Hey Keith we talk about this stuff all the time in the DIYedrums
group... I 
> came here to check you guys out, maybe you should check us out some
time. :)

I will have to do that.  Presumably you have seen the "magic box"
circuits here?

> 
> You're not a bad drummer, mesh head drums are VERY easy to play
on... Too 
> easy, as a matter of fact. 

It certainly seemed easy, although I only got a couple of minutes to
try it and then it was resting on my knee as it wouldn't fit in my
snare stand.

Thanks for the feedback.

Keith.

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Desco

Umm... Oh I get it-- I m the one that tried your circuit on the Roland box and told ya I was gonna play flipping polarities this weekend, but now that I m

Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Desco <desco@m...> wrote:
> Umm... Oh I get it-- I'm the one that tried your circuit on the
Roland box 
> and told ya I was gonna play flipping polarities this weekend, but
now that 
> I'm posting from email Yahoo might be giving me a different name. 
>

Sorry, I didn't realise.  I have just posted the circuit on the
DIYedrums group as well.

Keith.

Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@k...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Desco <desco@m...> wrote:
> > Hey Keith we talk about this stuff all the time in the DIYedrums
> group... I 
> > came here to check you guys out, maybe you should check us out some
> time. :)
> 
> I will have to do that.  Presumably you have seen the "magic box"
> circuits here?
> 
> > 
> > You're not a bad drummer, mesh head drums are VERY easy to play
> on... Too 
> > easy, as a matter of fact. 
> 
> It certainly seemed easy, although I only got a couple of minutes to
> try it and then it was resting on my knee as it wouldn't fit in my
> snare stand.

One final wrinkle. As the DIY guys know, a mesh snare is much less 
complicated than a rubber stereo pad--just a piezo or two, some 
wiring, a jack, a shell, some foam, and a head. Obviously, refinements 
are possible, but the Roland patent still basically rules, so much so 
that even seemingly independent Hart (as well as other companies) has 
had to pay the piper. Pintech is a direct licensee of Roland, meaning 
that for a fee, Roland allows Pintech to manufacture and sell mesh-
head drums with bottom-center-mounted piezos. 

Many people find the Roland mesh heads, and, by extension, the 
Pintechs, too bouncy relative to mylar and calfskin. Hart used to make 
a two-ply woven head (I still have them on my kit) that was both 
durable and more realistic in response, but rumor has it that Roland 
found a way to remove them from the market. Hart now has a single-ply 
that apparently comes close to the old two-ply, but I haven't tried 
it. When Pintech tried to manufacture a two-ply head a while back, 
Roland quickly put an end to it (they still have a few around the 
office; they jokingly refer to them as "the contraband"). Yamaha also 
had plans for a mesh design, even taking out patents for it, but in 
the end, it couldn't get around Roland.

The Hart heads may be the ones to search out if the Roland-type meshes 
don't do the trick.

Ed

Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> The Hart heads may be the ones to search out if the Roland-type meshes 
> don't do the trick.
> 

Thanks for the reply Ed.  I don't think the Hart stuff is available in
the UK though.

Keith.

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by Desco

Drumbalaya (http://www.drumbalaya.com) has Hart stuff, including the new Magnum mesh heads, and has a UK contact number--- 0800 404 9173 M-F: 13:30 - 02:00

RE: [DTXpress] Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by joe m

>in
>the end, it couldn't get around Roland.
>
>The Hart heads may be the ones to search out if the Roland-type meshes
>don't do the trick.
>
>Ed


This subject boils my blood and has almost made me a "R" hater.  Man...I'm 
all fired up, once again.

JoeMcc (any1 have a xanax?)

Re: Mesh snares

2005-06-09 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Desco <desco@m...> wrote:
> Drumbalaya (http://www.drumbalaya.com) has Hart stuff, including the 
new 
> Magnum mesh heads, and has a UK contact number--- 0800 404 9173 M-F: 
13:30 - 
> 02:00 Sat: 20:00 - 01:00 (GMT) so maybe they have a good way to ship 
to UK 
> addresses.

Ed Morin's the man, and I urge anyone and everyone to make Drumbalaya 
their first stop for e-drum gear. As Desco says, Ed also does the UK, 
but just in case it doesn't work out, Hart is carried exclusively in 
the UK by www.edrumonline.co.uk. You can reach the proprietor, Simon 
Ferguson, at simon@....

Ed

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