Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

anyone here have any issues with stability of settings? Having gotten 
my kick pad working ok- suddenly last night it starts double 
triggering- severely. Went to trigger settings and changed self-
reject settings and saw some improvement, but if you pick too high a 
setting you cannot trigger fast enough. I'm wondering if piezos are 
sensitive to temperature changes or if there is some inherent 
instability. All along I have had no success setting the kick pad so 
I have a semblance of dynamic range- it has acted more like a 
switch:just 1 loudness no matter how hard or soft I whack the thing. 

Since I have no manual for the kick tower- who can tell me the 
purpose of the polarity switch?

Thanks.

Hi Creighton,

When I got my version of the DTXpress back in the 14th century, I 
had a terrible time with the kick pad. I won't bore you with the 
details, but one of the problems was double-triggering. I got so 
flustered with the inconisistencies that I stopped tinkering and 
bought one from another company. You'll notice that the archives of 
2001/2 are littered with complaints about the KP60. The fact that 
the latest version, which seems to have been redesigned--at least 
cosmetically--hasn't attracted much grumbling seems to suggest that 
it works better. I don't think that the piezo is overly sensitive to 
temperature; mine double-triggered in a nice cozy room that didn't 
vary much. But I wouldn't be surprised if the rubber pad got stiffer 
in the cold. And the hardness of the rubber may well have something 
to do with the double-triggering--notwithstanding the issues of self-
rejection, gain, and minimum velocity. I began to notice that my 
beater almost imperceptively struck the hard pad twice. I could 
eventually control it a little by concentrating on my technique, but 
not enough to eliminate the problem. If this is what's happening to 
you, you might glue part of an old mouse pad to it, and/or increase 
the min. vel. setting, decrease the gain, and find a comfortable 
self-rejection point. Unfortunately, however, these measures may 
also further deaden the dynamic range, which, I agree, is not good 
in the first place. It's hard to get a light hit no matter how you 
set the parameters. 

Maybe Walt or someone else can bear me out on this point, but the 
polarity switch mainly permits the trigger to be used with equipment 
that reverses polarity. Yamaha's modules make polarity adjustments 
on the fly, rendering the issue irrelevant with its own triggers; 
switching it shouldn't make any difference in your case. 

Let us know how you make out. If you go the DIY route, or find an 
alternate explanation for the difficulty, your experience wiil 
certainly be valuable.

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "creighton_higgins 
<creighton@l...>" <creighton@l...> wrote:
> anyone here have any issues with stability of settings? Having 
gotten 
> my kick pad working ok- suddenly last night it starts double 
> triggering- severely. Went to trigger settings and changed self-
> reject settings and saw some improvement, but if you pick too high 
a 
> setting you cannot trigger fast enough. I'm wondering if piezos 
are 
> sensitive to temperature changes or if there is some inherent 
> instability. All along I have had no success setting the kick pad 
so 
> I have a semblance of dynamic range- it has acted more like a 
> switch:just 1 loudness no matter how hard or soft I whack the 
thing. 

> 
> Since I have no manual for the kick tower- who can tell me the 
> purpose of the polarity switch?
> 
> Thanks.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:26:16 -0000, you wrote:


>bought one from another company. You'll notice that the archives of 
>2001/2 are littered with complaints about the KP60. The fact that 
>the latest version, which seems to have been redesigned--at least 
>cosmetically--hasn't attracted much grumbling seems to suggest that 
>it works better. I don't think that the piezo is overly sensitive to 

I must be one lucky SOB because I have a second generation DTXpress
with a KP 60 and it works just fine.  Early on, I had a bout with
dropped triggers, but I changed beaters and adjusted the sensitivity
and polarity on the KP 60, and it hasn't burped since!  I found that
the KP 60 responds better to a certain shape beater and that the pad
has a "sweet spot."  Center your beater in that spot, and BAM, every
time.



____________________________

Jim

All I'll say about the KP60 is that I love my KP120! 
And I agree with Ed's comments on the polarity switch.
 Walt
--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Hi Creighton,
> 
> When I got my version of the DTXpress back in the
> 14th century, I 
> had a terrible time with the kick pad. I won't bore
> you with the 
> details, but one of the problems was
> double-triggering. I got so 
> flustered with the inconisistencies that I stopped
> tinkering and 
> bought one from another company. You'll notice that
> the archives of 
> 2001/2 are littered with complaints about the KP60.
> The fact that 
> the latest version, which seems to have been
> redesigned--at least 
> cosmetically--hasn't attracted much grumbling seems
> to suggest that 
> it works better. I don't think that the piezo is
> overly sensitive to 
> temperature; mine double-triggered in a nice cozy
> room that didn't 
> vary much. But I wouldn't be surprised if the rubber
> pad got stiffer 
> in the cold. And the hardness of the rubber may well
> have something 
> to do with the double-triggering--notwithstanding
> the issues of self-
> rejection, gain, and minimum velocity. I began to
> notice that my 
> beater almost imperceptively struck the hard pad
> twice. I could 
> eventually control it a little by concentrating on
> my technique, but 
> not enough to eliminate the problem. If this is
> what's happening to 
> you, you might glue part of an old mouse pad to it,
> and/or increase 
> the min. vel. setting, decrease the gain, and find a
> comfortable 
> self-rejection point. Unfortunately, however, these
> measures may 
> also further deaden the dynamic range, which, I
> agree, is not good 
> in the first place. It's hard to get a light hit no
> matter how you 
> set the parameters. 
> 
> Maybe Walt or someone else can bear me out on this
> point, but the 
> polarity switch mainly permits the trigger to be
> used with equipment 
> that reverses polarity. Yamaha's modules make
> polarity adjustments 
> on the fly, rendering the issue irrelevant with its
> own triggers; 
> switching it shouldn't make any difference in your
> case. 
> 
> Let us know how you make out. If you go the DIY
> route, or find an 
> alternate explanation for the difficulty, your
> experience wiil 
> certainly be valuable.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "creighton_higgins 
> <creighton@l...>" <creighton@l...> wrote:
> > anyone here have any issues with stability of
> settings? Having 
> gotten 
> > my kick pad working ok- suddenly last night it
> starts double 
> > triggering- severely. Went to trigger settings and
> changed self-
> > reject settings and saw some improvement, but if
> you pick too high 
> a 
> > setting you cannot trigger fast enough. I'm
> wondering if piezos 
> are 
> > sensitive to temperature changes or if there is
> some inherent 
> > instability. All along I have had no success
> setting the kick pad 
> so 
> > I have a semblance of dynamic range- it has acted
> more like a 
> > switch:just 1 loudness no matter how hard or soft
> I whack the 
> thing. 
> > 
> > Since I have no manual for the kick tower- who can
> tell me the 
> > purpose of the polarity switch?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> 
> 


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First of all, drummers aren't mature, no matter how long they stay 
away from a kit (I'll bet your legs have black and blue marks, and 
various family members have complained about noise that you're not 
even aware that you make) or how old they are. Assuming that you've 
taken all the obvious steps in the trigger menu, another kick pad 
may be the answer (first, though, is the KP60's sensitivity knob 
turned too high? Come to think of it, if you don't have the little 
manual that comes with the KP60, you may not even know that it has a 
sensitivity knob next to the polarity switch). 

I've heard of a few people going to the Ergokik, but the most 
popular Pintech kick by far in this group has been the Vertikik. 
I've never heard a bad word said about it, and many a good one. But 
it's not dirt cheap like its sibling. A search on each one in the 
archives should get you some information, and you can ask the group 
a specific question about them. Other have stepped up to the KP80, 
and you read Walt's endorsement of the KP120. But neither is cheap--
on the contrary. 

For the record, the two upgrades that people seem to make first and 
most are the snare and the kick. If your aim is pretty good, you 
should be all right with the snare for the foreseeable future. Keep 
us informed.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> I was hoping to be mature and not blame the tool, (i.e. kp60) but 
I was
> wondering if it wasn't the pad.
> I also have had trouble with the little second hit and have 
adjusted pretty
> well, but I really don't believe I should hear a beat when the 
beater is
> traveling away from the head.
> This is my 1st experience with electronic percussion- just 
returning to
> playing after almost 30 years away (lonnnnnng story) and I just 
want to be
> playing- not constantly spending $ on constant upgrades. But...
> Any advice on "best bang for buck" . Has anyone tried the Pintech 
Ergokik
> Compact Kick with Inverted Beater? It's way cheap ($35.00) and 
seems
> sensible, but also is another hard rubber pad.
> 
> Thanks all for thoughtful responses. More info is invited.
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>
> [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:26 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
> 
> 
>   Hi Creighton,
> 
>   When I got my version of the DTXpress back in the 14th century, I
>   had a terrible time with the kick pad. I won't bore you with the
>   details, but one of the problems was double-triggering. I got so
>   flustered with the inconisistencies that I stopped tinkering and
>   bought one from another company. You'll notice that the archives 
of
>   2001/2 are littered with complaints about the KP60. The fact that
>   the latest version, which seems to have been redesigned--at least
>   cosmetically--hasn't attracted much grumbling seems to suggest 
that
>   it works better. I don't think that the piezo is overly 
sensitive to
>   temperature; mine double-triggered in a nice cozy room that 
didn't
>   vary much. But I wouldn't be surprised if the rubber pad got 
stiffer
>   in the cold. And the hardness of the rubber may well have 
something
>   to do with the double-triggering--notwithstanding the issues of 
self-
>   rejection, gain, and minimum velocity. I began to notice that my
>   beater almost imperceptively struck the hard pad twice. I could
>   eventually control it a little by concentrating on my technique, 
but
>   not enough to eliminate the problem. If this is what's happening 
to
>   you, you might glue part of an old mouse pad to it, and/or 
increase
>   the min. vel. setting, decrease the gain, and find a comfortable
>   self-rejection point. Unfortunately, however, these measures may
>   also further deaden the dynamic range, which, I agree, is not 
good
>   in the first place. It's hard to get a light hit no matter how 
you
>   set the parameters.
> 
>   Maybe Walt or someone else can bear me out on this point, but the
>   polarity switch mainly permits the trigger to be used with 
equipment
>   that reverses polarity. Yamaha's modules make polarity 
adjustments
>   on the fly, rendering the issue irrelevant with its own triggers;
>   switching it shouldn't make any difference in your case.
> 
>   Let us know how you make out. If you go the DIY route, or find an
>   alternate explanation for the difficulty, your experience wiil
>   certainly be valuable.
> 
>   Ed
> 
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "creighton_higgins
>   <creighton@l...>" <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > anyone here have any issues with stability of settings? Having
>   gotten
>   > my kick pad working ok- suddenly last night it starts double
>   > triggering- severely. Went to trigger settings and changed 
self-
>   > reject settings and saw some improvement, but if you pick too 
high
>   a
>   > setting you cannot trigger fast enough. I'm wondering if piezos
>   are
>   > sensitive to temperature changes or if there is some inherent
>   > instability. All along I have had no success setting the kick 
pad
>   so
>   > I have a semblance of dynamic range- it has acted more like a
>   > switch:just 1 loudness no matter how hard or soft I whack the
>   thing.
>   >
>   > Since I have no manual for the kick tower- who can tell me the
>   > purpose of the polarity switch?
>   >
>   > Thanks.
> 
> 
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If you need feedback on a possible kick or snare purchase, let us 
know. Ebay is sometimes helpful, and you can always post a "wanted 
to buy" ad at the Drums4Sale Yahoo group site and check the Harmony 
Central or Drummers Web classifieds. A wonderful internet store that 
specializes in new and used e-drum equipment is Drumbalaya 
(http://www.drumbalaya.com/default.htm). Ed and Charlotte, the 
owners, give great advice. Ed seems to have drummed on everything.

Ed (no relation)

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Thanks Live
> The DTXpress module manual which I do own does suggest reducing 
sensitivity.
> I did that. The fact that the condition arose so spontaneously has 
been the
> source of my puzzlement. When I was in the PC business- the first 
question I
> always asked when confronting a misbehaving computer was, "What's 
changed?."
> Since I can't think of an answer (shut off module at night- turn 
it on next
> morning and the problem exists) my thinking turned to hardware.
> The kit I bought was a floor sample, so goodness knows the 
treatment it has
> received. Hell- it has a short length of rack pipe (about 3" long)
> protruding from one of the horizontal feet. I stare at this thing 
while I'm
> playing and try to imagine what purpose it might serve.
> I have never been happy with the response of the KP60. I expect I 
will be
> shopping for a used kick unit of some sort. Was really hoping to 
start with
> the snare as you all mentioned.
> 
> I stated I was hoping to be mature. I try this from time-to-time, 
but so far
> have not enjoyed the results.
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>
> [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:09 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
> 
> 
>   First of all, drummers aren't mature, no matter how long they 
stay
>   away from a kit (I'll bet your legs have black and blue marks, 
and
>   various family members have complained about noise that you're 
not
>   even aware that you make) or how old they are. Assuming that 
you've
>   taken all the obvious steps in the trigger menu, another kick pad
>   may be the answer (first, though, is the KP60's sensitivity knob
>   turned too high? Come to think of it, if you don't have the 
little
>   manual that comes with the KP60, you may not even know that it 
has a
>   sensitivity knob next to the polarity switch).
> 
>   I've heard of a few people going to the Ergokik, but the most
>   popular Pintech kick by far in this group has been the Vertikik.
>   I've never heard a bad word said about it, and many a good one. 
But
>   it's not dirt cheap like its sibling. A search on each one in the
>   archives should get you some information, and you can ask the 
group
>   a specific question about them. Other have stepped up to the 
KP80,
>   and you read Walt's endorsement of the KP120. But neither is 
cheap--
>   on the contrary.
> 
>   For the record, the two upgrades that people seem to make first 
and
>   most are the snare and the kick. If your aim is pretty good, you
>   should be all right with the snare for the foreseeable future. 
Keep
>   us informed.
> 
>   Ed
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > I was hoping to be mature and not blame the tool, (i.e. kp60) 
but
>   I was
>   > wondering if it wasn't the pad.
>   > I also have had trouble with the little second hit and have
>   adjusted pretty
>   > well, but I really don't believe I should hear a beat when the
>   beater is
>   > traveling away from the head.
>   > This is my 1st experience with electronic percussion- just
>   returning to
>   > playing after almost 30 years away (lonnnnnng story) and I just
>   want to be
>   > playing- not constantly spending $ on constant upgrades. But...
>   > Any advice on "best bang for buck" . Has anyone tried the 
Pintech
>   Ergokik
>   > Compact Kick with Inverted Beater? It's way cheap ($35.00) and
>   seems
>   > sensible, but also is another hard rubber pad.
>   >
>   > Thanks all for thoughtful responses. More info is invited.
>   >
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>
>   > [mailto:liberatusvirus@y...]
>   >   Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:26 PM
>   >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
>   >
>   >
>   >   Hi Creighton,
>   >
>   >   When I got my version of the DTXpress back in the 14th 
century, I
>   >   had a terrible time with the kick pad. I won't bore you with 
the
>   >   details, but one of the problems was double-triggering. I 
got so
>   >   flustered with the inconisistencies that I stopped tinkering 
and
>   >   bought one from another company. You'll notice that the 
archives
>   of
>   >   2001/2 are littered with complaints about the KP60. The fact 
that
>   >   the latest version, which seems to have been redesigned--at 
least
>   >   cosmetically--hasn't attracted much grumbling seems to 
suggest
>   that
>   >   it works better. I don't think that the piezo is overly
>   sensitive to
>   >   temperature; mine double-triggered in a nice cozy room that
>   didn't
>   >   vary much. But I wouldn't be surprised if the rubber pad got
>   stiffer
>   >   in the cold. And the hardness of the rubber may well have
>   something
>   >   to do with the double-triggering--notwithstanding the issues 
of
>   self-
>   >   rejection, gain, and minimum velocity. I began to notice 
that my
>   >   beater almost imperceptively struck the hard pad twice. I 
could
>   >   eventually control it a little by concentrating on my 
technique,
>   but
>   >   not enough to eliminate the problem. If this is what's 
happening
>   to
>   >   you, you might glue part of an old mouse pad to it, and/or
>   increase
>   >   the min. vel. setting, decrease the gain, and find a 
comfortable
>   >   self-rejection point. Unfortunately, however, these measures 
may
>   >   also further deaden the dynamic range, which, I agree, is not
>   good
>   >   in the first place. It's hard to get a light hit no matter 
how
>   you
>   >   set the parameters.
>   >
>   >   Maybe Walt or someone else can bear me out on this point, 
but the
>   >   polarity switch mainly permits the trigger to be used with
>   equipment
>   >   that reverses polarity. Yamaha's modules make polarity
>   adjustments
>   >   on the fly, rendering the issue irrelevant with its own 
triggers;
>   >   switching it shouldn't make any difference in your case.
>   >
>   >   Let us know how you make out. If you go the DIY route, or 
find an
>   >   alternate explanation for the difficulty, your experience 
wiil
>   >   certainly be valuable.
>   >
>   >   Ed
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "creighton_higgins
>   >   <creighton@l...>" <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   >   > anyone here have any issues with stability of settings? 
Having
>   >   gotten
>   >   > my kick pad working ok- suddenly last night it starts 
double
>   >   > triggering- severely. Went to trigger settings and changed
>   self-
>   >   > reject settings and saw some improvement, but if you pick 
too
>   high
>   >   a
>   >   > setting you cannot trigger fast enough. I'm wondering if 
piezos
>   >   are
>   >   > sensitive to temperature changes or if there is some 
inherent
>   >   > instability. All along I have had no success setting the 
kick
>   pad
>   >   so
>   >   > I have a semblance of dynamic range- it has acted more 
like a
>   >   > switch:just 1 loudness no matter how hard or soft I whack 
the
>   >   thing.
>   >   >
>   >   > Since I have no manual for the kick tower- who can tell me 
the
>   >   > purpose of the polarity switch?
>   >   >
>   >   > Thanks.
>   >
>   >
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:18:43 -0500, you wrote:

>Thanks Live
>The DTXpress module manual which I do own does suggest reducing sensitivity.
>I did that. The fact that the condition arose so spontaneously has been the
>source of my puzzlement. When I was in the PC business- the first question I
>always asked when confronting a misbehaving computer was, "What's changed?."
>Since I can't think of an answer (shut off module at night- turn it on next
>morning and the problem exists) my thinking turned to hardware.
>The kit I bought was a floor sample, so goodness knows the treatment it has
>received. Hell- it has a short length of rack pipe (about 3" long)
>protruding from one of the horizontal feet. I stare at this thing while I'm
>playing and try to imagine what purpose it might serve.
>I have never been happy with the response of the KP60. I expect I will be
>shopping for a used kick unit of some sort. Was really hoping to start with
>the snare as you all mentioned.

I bought a floor model as well.  The first thing I did when I got it
home was reset the module to it's factory default settings.  This is
done through the UTIL menu.  You may want to give it a try.  You never
know what some bozo messed with while it sat on the floor in the
store.  Resetting it makes it just like a new one out of the box.



____________________________

Jim

I'm amazed at how many posts I have seen about that
kick trigger.  I've owned an original dtxpress for
almost two years.  Just about everyone who I know
complains about the kick trigger.  For those of you
wondering if you're doing something wrong, you are not
alone.  The trigger simply isn't very reliable.  the
most cost effective and reliable kick trigger I have
used is the pintech verti-kick.  I have a few other
posts up that say pretty much the same thing, but I'll
just mention it again for all the newbies.  Alot of
people in the group agree with me.  If you have the
chance I HIGHLY recommend you go to a drum shop and
ask to try one.  I hope this helps.   -Joe

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You can dump and recover. Go to this site 
http://www.thehearns.fsnet.co.uk/dtxpressions/
and download DTXchange. You can then use it to shuttle kits between 
your PC and your module. Since you've reset to default settings, 
your module should be set up for it. If not, check the manual for 
SYSEX, dump, etc. info.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> Yeah- I did the reset thing too right away. Man there are a bunch 
of fussy
> settings to recover any time you re-set aren't there? Be nice if 
you could
> dump and save trigger settings,eh?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Ratzo [mailto:ratzo@t...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:56 AM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
> 
> 
>   On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:18:43 -0500, you wrote:
> 
>   >Thanks Live
>   >The DTXpress module manual which I do own does suggest reducing
> sensitivity.
>   >I did that. The fact that the condition arose so spontaneously 
has been
> the
>   >source of my puzzlement. When I was in the PC business- the 
first
> question I
>   >always asked when confronting a misbehaving computer 
was, "What's
> changed?."
>   >Since I can't think of an answer (shut off module at night- 
turn it on
> next
>   >morning and the problem exists) my thinking turned to hardware.
>   >The kit I bought was a floor sample, so goodness knows the 
treatment it
> has
>   >received. Hell- it has a short length of rack pipe (about 3" 
long)
>   >protruding from one of the horizontal feet. I stare at this 
thing while
> I'm
>   >playing and try to imagine what purpose it might serve.
>   >I have never been happy with the response of the KP60. I expect 
I will be
>   >shopping for a used kick unit of some sort. Was really hoping 
to start
> with
>   >the snare as you all mentioned.
> 
>   I bought a floor model as well.  The first thing I did when I 
got it
>   home was reset the module to it's factory default settings.  
This is
>   done through the UTIL menu.  You may want to give it a try.  You 
never
>   know what some bozo messed with while it sat on the floor in the
>   store.  Resetting it makes it just like a new one out of the box.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Can the DTXchange be used with the DTX V2.0 also?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> You can dump and recover. Go to this site 
> http://www.thehearns.fsnet.co.uk/dtxpressions/
> and download DTXchange. You can then use it to shuttle kits between 
> your PC and your module. Since you've reset to default settings, 
> your module should be set up for it. If not, check the manual for 
> SYSEX, dump, etc. info.
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
> <creighton@l...> wrote:
> > Yeah- I did the reset thing too right away. Man there are a bunch 
> of fussy
> > settings to recover any time you re-set aren't there? Be nice if 
> you could
> > dump and save trigger settings,eh?
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Ratzo [mailto:ratzo@t...]
> >   Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:56 AM
> >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
> > 
> > 
> >   On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:18:43 -0500, you wrote:
> > 
> >   >Thanks Live
> >   >The DTXpress module manual which I do own does suggest reducing
> > sensitivity.
> >   >I did that. The fact that the condition arose so spontaneously 
> has been
> > the
> >   >source of my puzzlement. When I was in the PC business- the 
> first
> > question I
> >   >always asked when confronting a misbehaving computer 
> was, "What's
> > changed?."
> >   >Since I can't think of an answer (shut off module at night- 
> turn it on
> > next
> >   >morning and the problem exists) my thinking turned to hardware.
> >   >The kit I bought was a floor sample, so goodness knows the 
> treatment it
> > has
> >   >received. Hell- it has a short length of rack pipe (about 3" 
> long)
> >   >protruding from one of the horizontal feet. I stare at this 
> thing while
> > I'm
> >   >playing and try to imagine what purpose it might serve.
> >   >I have never been happy with the response of the KP60. I 
expect 
> I will be
> >   >shopping for a used kick unit of some sort. Was really hoping 
> to start
> > with
> >   >the snare as you all mentioned.
> > 
> >   I bought a floor model as well.  The first thing I did when I 
> got it
> >   home was reset the module to it's factory default settings.  
> This is
> >   done through the UTIL menu.  You may want to give it a try.  
You 
> never
> >   know what some bozo messed with while it sat on the floor in the
> >   store.  Resetting it makes it just like a new one out of the 
box.

> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   ____________________________
> > 
> >   Jim
> > 
> >   Community email addresses:
> >     Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
> >     Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
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> > 
> >   Shortcut URL to this page:
> >     http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
> > 
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> Service.
> > 
> > 
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> > Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 11/20/2002

Maybe not. Since the DTXpress and DTX2 apparently don't ahare SYSEX, 
kits cannot be swapped between the two. That may not mean, however, 
that DTXchange won't work as storage for a V2.0 module. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "chitsman <chitsman@s...>" 
<chitsman@s...> wrote:
> Can the DTXchange be used with the DTX V2.0 also?
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > You can dump and recover. Go to this site 
> > http://www.thehearns.fsnet.co.uk/dtxpressions/
> > and download DTXchange. You can then use it to shuttle kits 
between 
> > your PC and your module. Since you've reset to default settings, 
> > your module should be set up for it. If not, check the manual 
for 
> > SYSEX, dump, etc. info.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
> > <creighton@l...> wrote:
> > > Yeah- I did the reset thing too right away. Man there are a 
bunch 
> > of fussy
> > > settings to recover any time you re-set aren't there? Be nice 
if 
> > you could
> > > dump and save trigger settings,eh?
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: Ratzo [mailto:ratzo@t...]
> > >   Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:56 AM
> > >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:18:43 -0500, you wrote:
> > > 
> > >   >Thanks Live
> > >   >The DTXpress module manual which I do own does suggest 
reducing
> > > sensitivity.
> > >   >I did that. The fact that the condition arose so 
spontaneously 
> > has been
> > > the
> > >   >source of my puzzlement. When I was in the PC business- the 
> > first
> > > question I
> > >   >always asked when confronting a misbehaving computer 
> > was, "What's
> > > changed?."
> > >   >Since I can't think of an answer (shut off module at night- 
> > turn it on
> > > next
> > >   >morning and the problem exists) my thinking turned to 
hardware.
> > >   >The kit I bought was a floor sample, so goodness knows the 
> > treatment it
> > > has
> > >   >received. Hell- it has a short length of rack pipe (about 
3" 
> > long)
> > >   >protruding from one of the horizontal feet. I stare at this 
> > thing while
> > > I'm
> > >   >playing and try to imagine what purpose it might serve.
> > >   >I have never been happy with the response of the KP60. I 
> expect 
> > I will be
> > >   >shopping for a used kick unit of some sort. Was really 
hoping 
> > to start
> > > with
> > >   >the snare as you all mentioned.
> > > 
> > >   I bought a floor model as well.  The first thing I did when 
I 
> > got it
> > >   home was reset the module to it's factory default settings.  
> > This is
> > >   done through the UTIL menu.  You may want to give it a try.  
> You 
> > never
> > >   know what some bozo messed with while it sat on the floor in 
the
> > >   store.  Resetting it makes it just like a new one out of the 
> box.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   ____________________________
> > > 
> > >   Jim
> > > 
> > >   Community email addresses:
> > >     Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
> > >     Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
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> > > 
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> > >     http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
> > > 
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> > Service.
> > > 
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11/20/2002

Under bulk dump in the manual, you'll see a list of the various data 
storage options via MIDI.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" 
<creighton@l...> wrote:
> I am aware that kits can be downloaded to a PC, though I haven't 
tried this
> yet. Does this apply to trigger settings also?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: chitsman <chitsman@s...> [mailto:chitsman@s...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:44 AM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
> 
> 
>   Can the DTXchange be used with the DTX V2.0 also?
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus
>   <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
>   > You can dump and recover. Go to this site
>   > http://www.thehearns.fsnet.co.uk/dtxpressions/
>   > and download DTXchange. You can then use it to shuttle kits 
between
>   > your PC and your module. Since you've reset to default 
settings,
>   > your module should be set up for it. If not, check the manual 
for
>   > SYSEX, dump, etc. info.
>   >
>   >
>   > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins"
>   > <creighton@l...> wrote:
>   > > Yeah- I did the reset thing too right away. Man there are a 
bunch
>   > of fussy
>   > > settings to recover any time you re-set aren't there? Be 
nice if
>   > you could
>   > > dump and save trigger settings,eh?
>   > >   -----Original Message-----
>   > >   From: Ratzo [mailto:ratzo@t...]
>   > >   Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:56 AM
>   > >   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   > >   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Kick pad and double triggers
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >   On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:18:43 -0500, you wrote:
>   > >
>   > >   >Thanks Live
>   > >   >The DTXpress module manual which I do own does suggest 
reducing
>   > > sensitivity.
>   > >   >I did that. The fact that the condition arose so 
spontaneously
>   > has been
>   > > the
>   > >   >source of my puzzlement. When I was in the PC business- 
the
>   > first
>   > > question I
>   > >   >always asked when confronting a misbehaving computer
>   > was, "What's
>   > > changed?."
>   > >   >Since I can't think of an answer (shut off module at 
night-
>   > turn it on
>   > > next
>   > >   >morning and the problem exists) my thinking turned to 
hardware.
>   > >   >The kit I bought was a floor sample, so goodness knows the
>   > treatment it
>   > > has
>   > >   >received. Hell- it has a short length of rack pipe (about 
3"
>   > long)
>   > >   >protruding from one of the horizontal feet. I stare at 
this
>   > thing while
>   > > I'm
>   > >   >playing and try to imagine what purpose it might serve.
>   > >   >I have never been happy with the response of the KP60. I
>   expect
>   > I will be
>   > >   >shopping for a used kick unit of some sort. Was really 
hoping
>   > to start
>   > > with
>   > >   >the snare as you all mentioned.
>   > >
>   > >   I bought a floor model as well.  The first thing I did 
when I
>   > got it
>   > >   home was reset the module to it's factory default settings.
>   > This is
>   > >   done through the UTIL menu.  You may want to give it a try.
>   You
>   > never
>   > >   know what some bozo messed with while it sat on the floor 
in the
>   > >   store.  Resetting it makes it just like a new one out of 
the
>   box.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >   ____________________________
>   > >
>   > >   Jim
>   > >
>   > >   Community email addresses:
>   > >     Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>   > >     Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>   > >     Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>   > >     List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>   > >
>   > >   Shortcut URL to this page:
>   > >     http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>   > >
>   > >   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   > Service.
>   > >
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>   > > Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 
11/20/2002
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