Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place I know how 
to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where hitting it 
vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So I'm trying 
to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress frame. Can 
anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments that came 
with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that will help.

Nick, I know what your talking about and I have thought about a 
solution a while back.  My first thought was to maybe place a larger 
felt underneath the bell pad but I'm not sure if this would 
interfere with the wing nut we have to tighten, I think it might.  I 
also thought of just playing with more finesse, but its hard when 
your a rock drummer.  So I finally looked up some splash-cymbal 
cymbal-arms that would connect to your current boom arms and out 
would stick the bell pad.  I know this would be ok for a splash 
cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure if it would feel 
right.  Look up product number CYA5E or MCA63E at drumbalaya to see 
what kind of splash cymbal arm I'm talking about.  It doesnt matter 
which number you look up because you can both arms in the picture.  
Just an idea...

UN.H 


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place I know 
how 
> to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where hitting it 
> vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So I'm 
trying 
> to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress frame. 
Can 
> anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments that 
came 
> with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that will help.

--- "underneathheaven" wrote:
> ... splash-cymbal cymbal-arms...
> I know this would be ok for a splash 
> cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure
> if it would feel right.

I think there's at least one other option, which is to use 
a "stacker" - an extension to the tilter that allows a second cymbal 
to be added above the first. It may also be that something like an 
Aquarian cymbal spring might help. It doesn't go between the 
cymbals, but underneath the main one it may "loosen up" the overall 
mount so it's less rigid and your bell strike is less likely to 
trigger the main pad. I'm also sure that with a little ingenuity, it 
would be possible to home-make a tilter extender. An 8mm bolt-
coupler, and an 8mm headless bolt should do it. You'd need to find a 
plastic or rubber sleeve for the extension, and some extra felts.

Stewart

i have added two cups to my kit--one on the ride with the standard 
mounting hardware and one on a splash arm--and i don't have any 
problems with false triggering--or if i do it's not noticeable 
because i try to find a bell sound that fits with the edge sound so, 
if i get a small amount of both, that's ok.  the splash arm is a good 
idea for a splash but i see that you actually want it to be a bell.  
did you use all of the standard hardware that comes with the unit?  i 
only ask because i bought my splash at music-go-round for $5 with no 
hardware.  the bell hardware replaces the standard neck with a longer 
one which allows you to get that gigantic felt in between them.  i 
think that helps alot.  The main thing is to experiment with trigger 
settings--in this case the special rejection is key.  Mine are 

ride: self rejection 4, rejection 2, minVelocity 27, special 
rejection (from bell) 7  

bell:  self rejection 2, rejection 2, minVelocity 10, special 
rejection (from ride) 6.

hope that helps.

Pat




In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> wrote:
> I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place I know 
how 
> to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where hitting it 
> vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So I'm trying 
> to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress frame. 
Can 
> anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments that came 
> with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that will help.

Nick,
I mounted my bell pad on its own cymbal attachment...I
couldn't get it to mount and play properly at the
time...plus I changed to Visulites that HAS a bell
sound.  I use the bell pad for other sounds now, but
it sure saved me a headache mounting it alone.
Jade
--- Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@...> wrote:
> I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only
> place I know how 
> to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where
> hitting it 
> vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim
> sound. So I'm trying 
> to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the
> DTXpress frame. Can 
> anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The
> attachments that came 
> with the bell pad do not seem to include anything
> that will help.
> 
> 
> 


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Jade, not sure what you mean by this. You mounted your bell pad on a 
separate cymbal stand? And is Visulites a non-Yamaha brand of cymbal 
pad?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:

> Nick,
> I mounted my bell pad on its own cymbal attachment...I
> couldn't get it to mount and play properly at the
> time...plus I changed to Visulites that HAS a bell
> sound.  I use the bell pad for other sounds now, but
> it sure saved me a headache mounting it alone.
> Jade
> --- Nick Carroll <njcarroll56@y...> wrote:
> > I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only
> > place I know how 
> > to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where
> > hitting it 
> > vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim
> > sound. So I'm trying 
> > to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the
> > DTXpress frame. Can 
> > anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The
> > attachments that came 
> > with the bell pad do not seem to include anything
> > that will help.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Thanks, Pat. I'll play around with your suggestions.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "k3276a12" <k3276a12@y...> wrote:
> i have added two cups to my kit--one on the ride with the standard 
> mounting hardware and one on a splash arm--and i don't have any 
> problems with false triggering--or if i do it's not noticeable 
> because i try to find a bell sound that fits with the edge sound 
so, 
> if i get a small amount of both, that's ok.  the splash arm is a 
good 
> idea for a splash but i see that you actually want it to be a 
bell.  
> did you use all of the standard hardware that comes with the unit?  
i 
> only ask because i bought my splash at music-go-round for $5 with 
no 
> hardware.  the bell hardware replaces the standard neck with a 
longer 
> one which allows you to get that gigantic felt in between them.  i 
> think that helps alot.  The main thing is to experiment with 
trigger 
> settings--in this case the special rejection is key.  Mine are 
> 
> ride: self rejection 4, rejection 2, minVelocity 27, special 
> rejection (from bell) 7  
> 
> bell:  self rejection 2, rejection 2, minVelocity 10, special 
> rejection (from ride) 6.
> 
> hope that helps.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> > I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place I know 
> how 
> > to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where hitting it 
> > vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So I'm 
trying 
> > to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress frame. 
> Can 
> > anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments that 
came 
> > with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that will help.

Thanks, UNH.  I'll check out those arms as you suggest.  By the way, 
what is the kit you refer to as the "Chick Magnet"?  (Just curious!)

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Nick, I know what your talking about and I have thought about a 
> solution a while back.  My first thought was to maybe place a 
larger 
> felt underneath the bell pad but I'm not sure if this would 
> interfere with the wing nut we have to tighten, I think it might.  
I 

> also thought of just playing with more finesse, but its hard when 
> your a rock drummer.  So I finally looked up some splash-cymbal 
> cymbal-arms that would connect to your current boom arms and out 
> would stick the bell pad.  I know this would be ok for a splash 
> cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure if it would feel 
> right.  Look up product number CYA5E or MCA63E at drumbalaya to see 
> what kind of splash cymbal arm I'm talking about.  It doesnt matter 
> which number you look up because you can both arms in the picture.  
> Just an idea...
> 
> UN.H 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place I know 
> how 
> > to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where hitting it 
> > vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So I'm 
> trying 
> > to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress frame. 
> Can 
> > anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments that 
> came 
> > with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that will help.

Nick, glad I could provide some ideas.  The "chick magnet" kit does 
not come within the factory settings, it is something I created and 
the settings must be precise!! :)

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Thanks, UNH.  I'll check out those arms as you suggest.  By the 
way, 
> what is the kit you refer to as the "Chick Magnet"?  (Just 
curious!)
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Nick, I know what your talking about and I have thought about a 
> > solution a while back.  My first thought was to maybe place a 
> larger 
> > felt underneath the bell pad but I'm not sure if this would 
> > interfere with the wing nut we have to tighten, I think it 
might.  
> I 
> > also thought of just playing with more finesse, but its hard 
when 
> > your a rock drummer.  So I finally looked up some splash-cymbal 
> > cymbal-arms that would connect to your current boom arms and out 
> > would stick the bell pad.  I know this would be ok for a splash 
> > cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure if it would feel 
> > right.  Look up product number CYA5E or MCA63E at drumbalaya to 
see 
> > what kind of splash cymbal arm I'm talking about.  It doesnt 
matter 
> > which number you look up because you can both arms in the 
picture.  
> > Just an idea...
> > 
> > UN.H 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place I 
know 
> > how 
> > > to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where hitting 
it 
> > > vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So I'm 
> > trying 
> > > to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress 
frame. 
> > Can 
> > > anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments that 
> > came 
> > > with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that will 
help.

Thanks, Stewart. I might play around with some extra felts or rubber 
sleeves, as you suggest. The other disadvantage about mounting a bell 
pad on the standard PCY80S ride cymbal is that it leaves 
significantly (for me, anyway) less playing area on the cymbal pad.  

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> 
wrote:
> --- "underneathheaven" wrote:
> > ... splash-cymbal cymbal-arms...
> > I know this would be ok for a splash 
> > cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure
> > if it would feel right.
> 
> I think there's at least one other option, which is to use 
> a "stacker" - an extension to the tilter that allows a second 
cymbal 
> to be added above the first. It may also be that something like an 
> Aquarian cymbal spring might help. It doesn't go between the 
> cymbals, but underneath the main one it may "loosen up" the overall 
> mount so it's less rigid and your bell strike is less likely to 
> trigger the main pad. I'm also sure that with a little ingenuity, 
it 
> would be possible to home-make a tilter extender. An 8mm bolt-
> coupler, and an 8mm headless bolt should do it. You'd need to find 
a 

> plastic or rubber sleeve for the extension, and some extra felts.
> 
> Stewart

Okay, so how have you programmed your pads to create the "Chick 
Magnet"?  I'm curious to know.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Nick, glad I could provide some ideas.  The "chick magnet" kit does 
> not come within the factory settings, it is something I created and 
> the settings must be precise!! :)
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Thanks, UNH.  I'll check out those arms as you suggest.  By the 
> way, 
> > what is the kit you refer to as the "Chick Magnet"?  (Just 
> curious!)
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> <realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Nick, I know what your talking about and I have thought about a 
> > > solution a while back.  My first thought was to maybe place a 
> > larger 
> > > felt underneath the bell pad but I'm not sure if this would 
> > > interfere with the wing nut we have to tighten, I think it 
> might.  
> > I 
> > > also thought of just playing with more finesse, but its hard 
> when 
> > > your a rock drummer.  So I finally looked up some splash-cymbal 
> > > cymbal-arms that would connect to your current boom arms and 
out 
> > > would stick the bell pad.  I know this would be ok for a splash 
> > > cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure if it would feel 
> > > right.  Look up product number CYA5E or MCA63E at drumbalaya to 
> see 
> > > what kind of splash cymbal arm I'm talking about.  It doesnt 
> matter 
> > > which number you look up because you can both arms in the 
> picture.  
> > > Just an idea...
> > > 
> > > UN.H 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place I 
> know 
> > > how 
> > > > to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where hitting 
> it 
> > > > vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So I'm 
> > > trying 
> > > > to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress 
> frame. 
> > > Can 
> > > > anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments 
that 

> > > came 
> > > > with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that will 
> help.

lol.  Nick you gotta be careful if you have a wife or girlfriend! :)

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Okay, so how have you programmed your pads to create the "Chick 
> Magnet"?  I'm curious to know.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Nick, glad I could provide some ideas.  The "chick magnet" kit 
does 
> > not come within the factory settings, it is something I created 
and 
> > the settings must be precise!! :)
> > 
> > -UN.H
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Thanks, UNH.  I'll check out those arms as you suggest.  By 
the 
> > way, 
> > > what is the kit you refer to as the "Chick Magnet"?  (Just 
> > curious!)
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > <realvast@s...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Nick, I know what your talking about and I have thought 
about a 
> > > > solution a while back.  My first thought was to maybe place 
a 
> > > larger 
> > > > felt underneath the bell pad but I'm not sure if this would 
> > > > interfere with the wing nut we have to tighten, I think it 
> > might.  
> > > I 
> > > > also thought of just playing with more finesse, but its hard 
> > when 
> > > > your a rock drummer.  So I finally looked up some splash-
cymbal 
> > > > cymbal-arms that would connect to your current boom arms and 
> out 
> > > > would stick the bell pad.  I know this would be ok for a 
splash 
> > > > cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure if it would 
feel 
> > > > right.  Look up product number CYA5E or MCA63E at drumbalaya 
to 
> > see 
> > > > what kind of splash cymbal arm I'm talking about.  It doesnt 
> > matter 
> > > > which number you look up because you can both arms in the 
> > picture.  
> > > > Just an idea...
> > > > 
> > > > UN.H 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> > <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place 
I 
> > know 
> > > > how 
> > > > > to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where 
hitting 
> > it 
> > > > > vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So 
I'm 
> > > > trying 
> > > > > to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the DTXpress 
> > frame. 
> > > > Can 
> > > > > anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments 
> that 
> > > > came 
> > > > > with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that 
will 
> > help.

Aw, come on UN.H.  I'm married but my girl doesn't mind...  In fact 
she's curious to know if that kit of yours will have the same effect 
on her!

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> lol.  Nick you gotta be careful if you have a wife or girlfriend! :)
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Okay, so how have you programmed your pads to create the "Chick 
> > Magnet"?  I'm curious to know.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> <realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Nick, glad I could provide some ideas.  The "chick magnet" kit 
> does 
> > > not come within the factory settings, it is something I created 
> and 
> > > the settings must be precise!! :)
> > > 
> > > -UN.H
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Thanks, UNH.  I'll check out those arms as you suggest.  By 
> the 
> > > way, 
> > > > what is the kit you refer to as the "Chick Magnet"?  (Just 
> > > curious!)
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > > <realvast@s...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Nick, I know what your talking about and I have thought 
> about a 
> > > > > solution a while back.  My first thought was to maybe place 
> a 
> > > > larger 
> > > > > felt underneath the bell pad but I'm not sure if this would 
> > > > > interfere with the wing nut we have to tighten, I think it 
> > > might.  
> > > > I 
> > > > > also thought of just playing with more finesse, but its 
hard 
> > > when 
> > > > > your a rock drummer.  So I finally looked up some splash-
> cymbal 
> > > > > cymbal-arms that would connect to your current boom arms 
and 
> > out 
> > > > > would stick the bell pad.  I know this would be ok for a 
> splash 
> > > > > cymbal, but as for a bell sound I'm not sure if it would 
> feel 
> > > > > right.  Look up product number CYA5E or MCA63E at 
drumbalaya 
> to 
> > > see 
> > > > > what kind of splash cymbal arm I'm talking about.  It 
doesnt 
> > > matter 
> > > > > which number you look up because you can both arms in the 
> > > picture.  
> > > > > Just an idea...
> > > > > 
> > > > > UN.H 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> > > <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > I have a bell pad that I don't use because the only place 
> I 
> > > know 
> > > > > how 
> > > > > > to mount it is on top of the ride cymbal pad - where 
> hitting 
> > > it 
> > > > > > vibrates through and sets off the ride and rim sound. So 
> I'm 
> > > > > trying 
> > > > > > to find out how to mount it somewhere else on the 
DTXpress 

> > > frame. 
> > > > > Can 
> > > > > > anyone offer me a hint on how to do this? The attachments 
> > that 
> > > > > came 
> > > > > > with the bell pad do not seem to include anything that 
> will 
> > > help.