Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Found the following in message #700. Thought it had relavence to a 
recent discussion:

<QUOTE>Briefly, on Hi-Hat pedals, the DTXpress pedal is fairly weak, 
but the DS-11 pedal is much better, the Roland hi-hat pedal is better 
still, but twice the price of the standard Yamaha. The difference is 
that the two Yamaha pedals are stepped for "closed", "semi-open" 
and "open" sounds, giving three distinct sound bands. The Roland is a 
smooth transition between semi-open and open which allows for more 
natural playing.
NOTE: The DTX brains are capable of registering the full range, it's 
just the pedals which don't provide it.<END QUOTE>

On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 04:00  pm, brown8700 wrote:

> Found the following in message #700. Thought it had relavence to a
> recent discussion:
>
> <QUOTE>Briefly, on Hi-Hat pedals, the DTXpress pedal is fairly weak,
> but the DS-11 pedal is much better, the Roland hi-hat pedal is better
> still, but twice the price of the standard Yamaha. The difference is
> that the two Yamaha pedals are stepped for "closed", "semi-open"
> and "open" sounds, giving three distinct sound bands. The Roland is a
> smooth transition between semi-open and open which allows for more
> natural playing.
> NOTE: The DTX brains are capable of registering the full range, it's
> just the pedals which don't provide it.<END QUOTE>

Does that mean then that you get the full range of sounds like the 
Roland on the DTXpress with an after market pedal such as the Pintech 
HH-10CV? Anyone got one?

pb

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Found the following in message #700. Thought it had relavence to a 
> recent discussion:
> 
> <QUOTE>Briefly, on Hi-Hat pedals, the DTXpress pedal is fairly 
weak, 
> but the DS-11 pedal is much better, the Roland hi-hat pedal is 
better 
> still, but twice the price of the standard Yamaha. The difference 
is 
> that the two Yamaha pedals are stepped for "closed", "semi-open" 
> and "open" sounds, giving three distinct sound bands. The Roland is 
a 
> smooth transition between semi-open and open which allows for more 
> natural playing.
> NOTE: The DTX brains are capable of registering the full range, 
it's 
> just the pedals which don't provide it.<END QUOTE>

Stephen,

That is helpful. Andy and Giles were probably the most assiduous 
researchers in the early days of this forum; in fact, Andy is 
responsible for some of the more obscure tips and tricks at 
DTXpressions. Andy's description of the Yamaha pedals seems to meet 
with OGD's findings about the HH65 pedal, possibly indicating that 
the HH80 (the pedal that came with the DS11) simply had more steps 
built into it than the lower end HH60 (or later 65). I'm still 
awaiting confirmation from elsewhere so that we can credibly inform 
the e-drum manufacturers what kind of improvements they ought to make 
in their hat samples and controllers (okay, so I have delusions of 
grandeur). The Roland pedal (FD7), which was painstakingly dissected 
in the vdrums forum a few months or so ago, may have smoother 
transitions, but it isn't immune to the problems inherent 
in "stepping," and it adds one or two of its own. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bentley <pb@w...> wrote:
> Does that mean then that you get the full range of sounds like the 
> Roland on the DTXpress with an after market pedal such as the 
Pintech 
> HH-10CV? Anyone got one?

Paul,

That was always the implication. Going up from the HH60 to 80 with 
the DTXpress was supposed to give "full" variability. But what we 
don't know is whether an HH80/DTXPU interface for Yamaha simply 
results in more discrete "steps" or a completely different electronic 
strategy that allows a fully continous range on the pedal. We know 
that Roland and Roland-style pedals, like the Pintech, are not 
compatible with Yamaha modules right out of the box. At the very 
least, they require a polarity change, but they may also diverge from 
Yamaha pedals in other respects, thus making predictions about 
performance without direct A/B comparison, or more technological 
information, impossible. Tom at Visu-lite or Brian at Pintech might 
be able to clarify the matter.

Ed

> Ed,
> 
> I have sent an email to Yamaha tech. support on all of these issues
> regarding what is the capability of the module, the HH65 vs HH80.
> Hopefully we can get an answer to solve these questions once and for all
> from the official source.
> 
OGD
 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > Ed,
> > 
> > I have sent an email to Yamaha tech. support on all of these 
issues
> > regarding what is the capability of the module, the HH65 vs HH80.
> > Hopefully we can get an answer to solve these questions once and 
for all
> > from the official source.

OGD,

Good idea. Tom Pickard must be out of town, else he would have given 
a quick reply. The response could have much to say about what kinds 
of improvements we can expect in the foreseeable future, as well as 
about the similarities and differences in the Yamaha and Roland 
approaches. I hope to be able to make some intelligible comments 
about ddrum in the coming days.

Ed