Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Have any of our members been implicated in the suit? Downloaders are 
going down in Massachusetts.

On Wed September 10 2003 7:33 am, liberatusvirus wrote:
>  Have any of our members been implicated in the suit? Downloaders are
> going down in Massachusetts.

Not me!  I only download the legal stuff from MP3.com.  If there's something I 
want on a CD, I wait and wait and wait until the decade when I'm working 
again to buy it.  Tough luck, yeah, but I'm downloading from MP3.com for most 
of the music I listen to these days, like Drastik, Satcom 101, Johannes 
Roussel, The Paradigm, Dream Time Beatniks, etc.

I knew there had to be a catch in there somewhere about downloading millions 
of "free" copyrighted songs.  Oh, remember the "free" towels and drinks you 
usd to be able to take home from the hotel in the vacation spot?

Anyhow, it'll be interesting to see if the implicated and sympathizers will 
have enough rebel brains to band together, destroy the RIAA, have it 
disbanded, and the top-level workers jailed for their corporate crimes.  I 
don't buy new CD's because of that, and where I buy used CD's, I get  a 
formal statement from them saying that the money doesn't go back to RIAA and 
the various recording producers like the money for the new ones do.

Stephanie

Ed,
I realize that this is considered "theft"....but I
truly believe a MAJORITY download songs for their
personal use-not selling them and burning copies.  I
am really pissed at some members of Congress are in
the pockets of the RIAA and "Hollywierd".  I believe
the record industry is feeling the brunt of a slow
economy, and let's face it, CDs are not cheap! 
I have downloaded songs off the various file-sharing
sites for my personal use.  I don't have many, but I
have done it.  I hope the RIAA angers folks enough to
really make them pay for this act of privacy
violation-snooping into people's hard drives!!  Why
don't they lower the cost, or better yet, how bout
Apple getting a site up for the PC to download music? 
I hear it is coming, but will take some time.  I would
gladly pay 99 cents for a song I like.
Anyway, let me get off my soap box.  Ya know the ol'
saying "ya can't get blood out of a rock."
Jade
--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Have any of our members been implicated in the suit?
> Downloaders are 
> going down in Massachusetts.
> 
> 


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Jade said:
> Ed,
> I realize that this is considered "theft"....

<SOAPBOX>
"Copyright infringement" is *not* "theft"! A good reason to avoid using
words like "theft" and "piracy" when discussing copyright is the
fundamental difference between *physical* property and copyrightable
information: Theft of property deprives you of the stolen item, copyright
infringement does not take the information away from you. What copyright
infringement does is affect your *potential* for deriving profit from the
information concerned.

In short, lets keep it simple but correct: What some people do with KaZaa
is copyright infringement, what burglars and pickpockets (and possibly
some corporate executives) do is theft. :)

One of the other problems I have is how many times do I have to BUY an
album before I OWN it? How many of you have the same album, purchased on
8 track, LP, cassette and CD? Me too!

So, IMHO, P2P use is simply civil disobedience. The long time supporters
(via purchases over the years) of the Music Industry have said "ENOUGH!
We WANT OUR P2P!!!" The RIAA needs to get a clue and provide their
customers with what they want, not spend money and time pissing them off.

If they had embraced Napster, we would all have a "Napster subscription"
of $5-10/month and all the music we could stand. Instead, I haven't spent
a DIME on music since Napster was crushed. Screw them, I won't fund this
"witch hunt" that traps "evil pirates" like the 12yr old girl who's
parents just paid $2000 extortion money to the "Music Mafia". grrr...

And if you want to share/search for music or other online content
ANONYMOUSLY, have a look at this web site:
http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
</SOAPBOX>

Vern

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RIAA SUITS:

I don't download songs from the internet nor do I buy CD's from the stores,
here's why:

When I was a youngster, 45's and LP's was the standard. When a one hit
wonder group came along, I could go to the store and spend 25 cents to buy a
45 that had just the one song that was being played a thousand times a day
(plus only one lame song on the backside) on the radio, because I wanted to
listen to it a thousand and one times. Most of the albums from even the top
ten groups of the time had at most 2 or three good songs and 10 lame
half-bake songs. Buying an album was getting the "industry there share" but
it was screwing me the consumer because I had to pay for the lame songs as
well as the good songs. When cassettes and 8-tracks came along, I was stuck
with buying the whole album (2 good/10 bad songs) and the industry got their
share and I got screwed. With the advent of CD's the cycle continued. The
industry today finds a blonde/brunnette teenager that can sing that sells
one successful song and proceeds to clone her with a dozen other one/two
album hit wonders. I will not buy a $17 cd that has only one or two songs on
it. I still listen and play to this music, but not from an over priced
ripoff CD but from the Radio.(Can you imagine a artist (painter,sculpter)
pulling together 12 paintings, with two nice ones and 10 stupid ones and
selling them as a bundle for one high price?)

I did purchased the Elton John CD that had the tribute to Princess Diana
song, but have not purchased since, nor do I ever intend to purchase music
from the industry.

There was a good article that I read yesterday, that talked about the
difference between Piracy and copyright infringement. (I can't find it now.)


The record industry had already been taken to court and lost over price
fixing. (What a good example to set for youngster of this country on how
business should be run.)

There are two other major reasons I am angered by the industry:

One is that the large corporations have chosen to hide behind the RIAA like
weasels, so that thier names will not be used in the public relations
nightmare (i.e. RIAA sues 12 year NYC girl, instead of Sony sues 12 year NYC
girl being the headlines on the Washington Post).

The second is that is that two wrongs don't make a right. When someone
chooses to use a file-swapping service they give free access to their
computer's hard for other file swappers and not the industry/governement.
This would be like me having a library at home, that I freely allowed my
neighbors and friends to come in and use and the industry/big brother shows
up and starts purusing my home. I only gave permission for entry into my
home for other files sharers/friends and not the industry/police. Your hard
drive at home is your personnal property, period. If you are breaking the
law, it is up to the law enforcement to investigate and get a search warrant
to search your private property and not for a third party to break into your
home (electronically) and search for evidence and then sneak back out and
then get a search warrant.

If someone steals your computer and takes it home with him, you as an
individual cannot break into thier house to see if it is there and take it
back. You must go to law enforcement and let them determine if enough
evidence exists to obtain an search warrant and seek a resolution though the
court system.

Clearly, the lawsuits could be stopped within a week, but the effort would
have to be a massive cooperation by all US Citizens. If everyone were to
stop buying say Sony products (TV,VCR,computers,music,videos,etc.) for one
week and let it be known that the other members that are represented by the
RIAA are next, the suits would go away overnight. If Sony wants

I have alot more to say about this but my fingers are tired and so I will
stop for now. Sorry for the rant and raving.

OGD




 
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lets just say that without kazaa and all its predecessors, i wouldn't 
of been able to listen to half the music i like today. form a 
financial point of view, i wouldn't of been able to buy it all 
either, long live p2p software!!

pete




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote:
> Jade said:
> > Ed,
> > I realize that this is considered "theft"....
> 
> <SOAPBOX>
> "Copyright infringement" is *not* "theft"! A good reason to avoid 
using
> words like "theft" and "piracy" when discussing copyright is the
> fundamental difference between *physical* property and copyrightable
> information: Theft of property deprives you of the stolen item, 
copyright
> infringement does not take the information away from you. What 
copyright
> infringement does is affect your *potential* for deriving profit 
from the
> information concerned.
> 
> In short, lets keep it simple but correct: What some people do with 
KaZaa
> is copyright infringement, what burglars and pickpockets (and 
possibly
> some corporate executives) do is theft. :)
> 
> One of the other problems I have is how many times do I have to BUY 
an
> album before I OWN it? How many of you have the same album, 
purchased on
> 8 track, LP, cassette and CD? Me too!
> 
> So, IMHO, P2P use is simply civil disobedience. The long time 
supporters
> (via purchases over the years) of the Music Industry have 
said "ENOUGH!
> We WANT OUR P2P!!!" The RIAA needs to get a clue and provide their
> customers with what they want, not spend money and time pissing 
them off.
> 
> If they had embraced Napster, we would all have a "Napster 
subscription"
> of $5-10/month and all the music we could stand. Instead, I haven't 
spent
> a DIME on music since Napster was crushed. Screw them, I won't fund 
this
> "witch hunt" that traps "evil pirates" like the 12yr old girl who's
> parents just paid $2000 extortion money to the "Music Mafia". 
grrr...

> 
> And if you want to share/search for music or other online content
> ANONYMOUSLY, have a look at this web site:
> http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
> </SOAPBOX>
> 
> Vern
> 
> --
> Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is down, then you're
> Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
> Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
> vern@t... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
> Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG

Thanks for the link!
Jade
--- Vernon Graner <vern@...> wrote:
> Jade said:
> > Ed,
> > I realize that this is considered "theft"....
> 
> <SOAPBOX>
> "Copyright infringement" is *not* "theft"! A good
> reason to avoid using
> words like "theft" and "piracy" when discussing
> copyright is the
> fundamental difference between *physical* property
> and copyrightable
> information: Theft of property deprives you of the
> stolen item, copyright
> infringement does not take the information away from
> you. What copyright
> infringement does is affect your *potential* for
> deriving profit from the
> information concerned.
> 
> In short, lets keep it simple but correct: What some
> people do with KaZaa
> is copyright infringement, what burglars and
> pickpockets (and possibly
> some corporate executives) do is theft. :)
> 
> One of the other problems I have is how many times
> do I have to BUY an
> album before I OWN it? How many of you have the same
> album, purchased on
> 8 track, LP, cassette and CD? Me too!
> 
> So, IMHO, P2P use is simply civil disobedience. The
> long time supporters
> (via purchases over the years) of the Music Industry
> have said "ENOUGH!
> We WANT OUR P2P!!!" The RIAA needs to get a clue and
> provide their
> customers with what they want, not spend money and
> time pissing them off.
> 
> If they had embraced Napster, we would all have a
> "Napster subscription"
> of $5-10/month and all the music we could stand.
> Instead, I haven't spent
> a DIME on music since Napster was crushed. Screw
> them, I won't fund this
> "witch hunt" that traps "evil pirates" like the 12yr
> old girl who's
> parents just paid $2000 extortion money to the
> "Music Mafia". grrr...
> 
> And if you want to share/search for music or other
> online content
> ANONYMOUSLY, have a look at this web site:
> http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
> </SOAPBOX>
> 
> Vern
> 
> --
> Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is
> down, then you're
> Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent
> so why are we
> Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course,
> if the network
> vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we
> obviously don't need
> Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we
> paying you?" VLG
> 
> 


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On Wed September 10 2003 5:09 pm, peterpan wrote:
> lets just say that without kazaa and all its predecessors, i wouldn't
> of been able to listen to half the music i like today. form a
> financial point of view, i wouldn't of been able to buy it all
> either, long live p2p software!!

Ooops!  Let's hope that RIAA doesn't use mining tools for finding admissions 
of "criminal activity!"  If I were you, I would not have said what you have 
said...

Stephanie tiptoeing behind Paul Bunyan, who is carrying a Big Bertha gun

seriously, thanks alot for warning me stephanie. i know i'm really 
important in the scheme of things, everythig i say is documanted, 
recorded and analysed by special agents. come on stephanie, please 
tell me it ain't so! 

ok, ok, enough is enough, i just think that we might all be taking 
this a little bit too seriously considering our actual relivance?








--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison <deafdrummer@a...> 
wrote:
> On Wed September 10 2003 5:09 pm, peterpan wrote:
> > lets just say that without kazaa and all its predecessors, i 
wouldn't
> > of been able to listen to half the music i like today. form a
> > financial point of view, i wouldn't of been able to buy it all
> > either, long live p2p software!!
> 
> Ooops!  Let's hope that RIAA doesn't use mining tools for finding 
admissions 
> of "criminal activity!"  If I were you, I would not have said what 
you have 
> said...
> 
> Stephanie tiptoeing behind Paul Bunyan, who is carrying a Big 
Bertha gun

I have 200 CDs I bought in the last 3 years.
All of them I bought BECAUSE of file sharing:

When I hear a song or read a review of an album, I have to listen to 
the whole album before I buy it. So I d/l it.
If I like it then I buy it - and everyones happy - If I don't I 
delete it.

And you know what? All the CDS I buy are ripped to mp3 so I have 
them all on the computer. 

If it wasn't for filesharing I would have never discovered all the 
music I am listening to...


Yoav





--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "peterpan" <malakies2000@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> seriously, thanks alot for warning me stephanie. i know i'm really 
> important in the scheme of things, everythig i say is documanted, 
> recorded and analysed by special agents. come on stephanie, please 
> tell me it ain't so! 
> 
> ok, ok, enough is enough, i just think that we might all be taking 
> this a little bit too seriously considering our actual relivance?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison 
<deafdrummer@a...> 
> wrote:
> > On Wed September 10 2003 5:09 pm, peterpan wrote:
> > > lets just say that without kazaa and all its predecessors, i 
> wouldn't
> > > of been able to listen to half the music i like today. form a
> > > financial point of view, i wouldn't of been able to buy it all
> > > either, long live p2p software!!
> > 
> > Ooops!  Let's hope that RIAA doesn't use mining tools for 
finding 
> admissions 
> > of "criminal activity!"  If I were you, I would not have said 
what 

> you have 
> > said...
> > 
> > Stephanie tiptoeing behind Paul Bunyan, who is carrying a Big 
> Bertha gun

Have I missed something? What's download mean? And filesharing? I 
just bought some CDs. I got them in $500 denominations from the local 
bank.
Yoav? You bought 200 of these CDs? You must be loaded.


I don't no nothing 'bout no RIAFF suit. Is that something like a ZOOT 
suit?

Stephen