Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi everybody,

I finally got my ConcertCast snare (my first addition to my 
dtxpressII kit) and I'd like all of you who have it to throw in your 
trigger and pad settings for it, so I can get a good start.

It's the plain ConcertCast, not the ST, but I don't think the 
trigger settings are too different between those two.

Thanks,

Yoav

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "yoavf21" <yoavf21@y...> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I finally got my ConcertCast snare (my first addition to my 
> dtxpressII kit) and I'd like all of you who have it to throw in 
your 
> trigger and pad settings for it, so I can get a good start.
> 
> It's the plain ConcertCast, not the ST, but I don't think the 
> trigger settings are too different between those two.
 
Yoav, 

While you're waiting for detailed suggestions, you might go the Files 
section and open the Pintech 2003 manual. Inside is a suggested 
settings section for various modules, among which is the DTX v2.0. 
Although this module isn't an exact match for the Xpress (which, for 
one thing, doesn't have a preliminary level envelope), it should get 
you in the ballpark for gain and rejection settings. You might have 
to experiment with pad type (DT10/20, perhaps?) and possibly flip the 
DIP switch on the back corresponding to the Pintech's input. Anyway, 
just so you won't be idle while you wait.

Ed

ConcertCast Snare Settings (from Memory)
Pad Type - Misc 2
Gain - 99  MinVel 12
Loud 2
DIP switch - UP

Also play around with the head tension. This can affect the reaction 
of the drum as well. Mine is/are tuned pretty tight.

Stephen

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> ConcertCast Snare Settings (from Memory)
> Pad Type - Misc 2
> Gain - 99  MinVel 12
> Loud 2
> DIP switch - UP
> 
> Also play around with the head tension. This can affect the 
reaction 
> of the drum as well. Mine is/are tuned pretty tight.
> 
> Stephen

Thanks Stephen, these are a very good start from me - I'll just 
tweak it from here.

But I have the dualzone version and I  need help with the rejection 
settings and the rim settings - (the snare is on input 2 - the rim 
is on 9).
I Can't get a seperate clear rim sound.

Thanks.

Yoav

Hi guys,

after three weeks where I almost didn't played (work, work, and more 
work) I'm starting to loose it. My new concertcast snare won't 
behave.

I can't get it to sound the way It should (trigger settings).

It's either too loud or not at loud at all. I tried everything I 
could find in the archives.

With the setting Stephen sent (below) the response is quite ok, but 
even the slightest stroke sound like an accented note. How can I 
play my rudiments like that (and god knows I need to!!).

I find myself every time removing the concertcast and playing back 
on the tp65s rubber pad. That's not what I spent my (hard earned) 
money for.

Help. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> ConcertCast Snare Settings (from Memory)
> Pad Type - Misc 2
> Gain - 99  MinVel 12
> Loud 2
> DIP switch - UP
> 
> Also play around with the head tension. This can affect the 
reaction 

> of the drum as well. Mine is/are tuned pretty tight.
> 
> Stephen

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "yoavf21" <yoavf21@y...> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> after three weeks where I almost didn't played (work, work, and 
more 
> work) I'm starting to loose it. My new concertcast snare won't 
> behave.
> 
> I can't get it to sound the way It should (trigger settings).
> 
> It's either too loud or not at loud at all. I tried everything I 
> could find in the archives.
> 
> With the setting Stephen sent (below) the response is quite ok, but 
> even the slightest stroke sound like an accented note. How can I 
> play my rudiments like that (and god knows I need to!!).
> 
> I find myself every time removing the concertcast and playing back 
> on the tp65s rubber pad. That's not what I spent my (hard earned) 
> money for.
> 
> Help. 

Yoav,

You can bring the gain down, but frankly I don't think that it will 
do much good. I think your playing style, as well as the facts of the 
matter, dictates that you splice a pot between the snare and its 
input. If you don't want to rip apart wire to do it yourself, you can 
buy a Guyatone cable with a volume control already inserted. The 
other handy option is an acoustic pickup for guitar with its own 
rotary knob, as Brian LaRue suggested. The upshot is that you should 
be able to adjust the signal so that only the hardest hits register 
maximum effect.

Ed

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, liberatusvirus wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "yoavf21" <yoavf21@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > With the setting Stephen sent (below) the response is quite ok, but 
> > even the slightest stroke sound like an accented note. How can I 
> > play my rudiments like that (and god knows I need to!!).
>  
> You can bring the gain down, but frankly I don't think that it will 
> do much good. I think your playing style, as well as the facts of the 
> matter, dictates that you splice a pot between the snare and its 
> input. 

Along similar lines, I recently purchased a Pintech CK-V to replace my
(again-) failed KP60. What I would characterize as a "light tap" already
registers at 99%. When I get some time, I will try building some sort of
signal attenuator as suggested.

I'm a little concerned about potentially having to do this for every
component I buy from other manufacturers. Is it safe to assume that
all non-Yamaha pad/triggers will run "hot" on the DTXpress modules?
Any contrary experiences?

Darren Lo
lo@...

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Darren Lo <lo@m...> wrote:
> Along similar lines, I recently purchased a Pintech CK-V to replace 
my
> (again-) failed KP60. What I would characterize as a "light tap" 
already
> registers at 99%. When I get some time, I will try building some 
sort of
> signal attenuator as suggested.
> 
> I'm a little concerned about potentially having to do this for every
> component I buy from other manufacturers. Is it safe to assume that
> all non-Yamaha pad/triggers will run "hot" on the DTXpress modules?
> Any contrary experiences?

Darren,

Some of them run cold, like the Hart ECII ride, or, perhaps, the 
Accusnare or hat. Some drummers, incidentally, are not bothered by 
this characteristic; straight-ahead rock drummers, for example, might 
not require the nuances that a jazz player would, though there's no 
talking anyone out of it once it manifests (I might have a tin ear, 
and am not a straight-ahead rock drummer, but I made my peace with 
Pintech pads through Yamaha electronics without much discontent or a 
potentiometer). But excessive gain is probably more critical on the 
snare than anywhere else. The Visu-lite cymbals, which I started 
using while the Yamaha module was my primary one, were extremely 
responsive, but the effect was completely welcome. Gain, min. vel., 
and volume adjustments were capable of taming any anomalies. 

On the "cold" end, however, you don't have the same wiggle room. 
Those of us who couldn't get enough juice out of the Hart ECymbalII 
either had to get rid of it, or rig up some sort of extra signal 
control. If I remember correctly, the Sherpa pads include a 
sensitivity control, which would be very useful in a Yamaha context, 
except that they aren't woven heads. Yamaha gum-rubber stereo pads 
(and the discontinued DTXtreme RH series?) have sensitivity knobs as 
well, but this feature may have been a concession to other 
manufacturers' electronics.

Ed 

Ed