Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I've got some info on my employer Guitar Center's stand on the new 
Yamaha DTXpress III and DTXtreme IIs sets. The DTXpress III (i.e., the 
one with the pie-shaped cymbal pads) will be available in all stores 
from pretty much the second week in February onwards. the DTXtreme IIs 
will come in March to select stores only. If the store near you isn't 
in a big market, i.e. Boston, NYC, Hollywood, Chicago or San Francisco, 
you won't see a DTXtreme IIs in a GC showroom.
As for the DTXpress III Special, the one with the new round cymbal 
pads, GC will NOT be carrying them. They will NOT be available for 
demoing, they will only be available on a special order basis.
I personally am pretty disgusted about that, we have the showroom 
space, and people want to try this kit, am I right? I'm in discussions 
with our buyers and allocators to try and get them to acknowledge the 
buzz on forums like this about this kit, but so far I'm running on deaf 
ears. I'm not giving up, however, those guys know me as a person who'll 
complain for months if I have to, and getting GC to carry Pacific drum 
racks was one hell of an uphill struggle....
My store, Orange, CT, will see the DTXpress III set, but most likely 
not the DTXtreme IIs.

As for Roland, the V-Compact will be replacing the low-end Pintech 
Spirit pad sets in GC's product roster, price at $899.99. The V-Tour is 
currently priced at 1395.99, an will be available in a few weeks time. 
V-Pro (TD20SBK) will be available in select stores (big market areas, 
see above) fo $5499.99, that is, until Roland comes to their senses and 
lowers MAP price. Again, my store will see the V-Compact and the 
V-Tour, but unlikely the V-Pro.

I'll keep you all posted on any developments, I hope I can change this 
trend of our management ignoring customer demands around, at least for 
a little while. In the meanwhile, bug your local GC drum salespeople 
and get them to relay to their buyers that you as a customer want to 
check this set out, and demo then new gear.

Stuart McConaghy
Canopus Drums
Meinl Cymbals
SilverFox Sticks

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> wrote:
> I'll keep you all posted on any developments, I hope I can change 
this 
> trend of our management ignoring customer demands around, at least 
for 
> a little while. In the meanwhile, bug your local GC drum 
salespeople 
> and get them to relay to their buyers that you as a customer want 
to 
> check this set out, and demo then new gear.

I've asked Stuart how this group as a whole might be able to support 
his effort to change GC policy. If we can throw any weight into a 
good cause, let's do it.

Ed

i know this has been discussed before but you seem to have some inside 
dope:

what will be  Guitar Center's  real selling price for the  DTXpress III ???






--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> wrote:

> I've got some info on my employer Guitar Center's stand on the new 
> Yamaha DTXpress III and DTXtreme IIs sets. The DTXpress III (i.e., the 
> one with the pie-shaped cymbal pads) will be available in all stores 
> from pretty much the second week in February onwards. the DTXtreme IIs 
> will come in March to select stores only. If the store near you isn't 
> in a big market, i.e. Boston, NYC, Hollywood, Chicago or San Francisco, 
> you won't see a DTXtreme IIs in a GC showroom.
> As for the DTXpress III Special, the one with the new round cymbal 
> pads, GC will NOT be carrying them. They will NOT be available for 
> demoing, they will only be available on a special order basis.
> I personally am pretty disgusted about that, we have the showroom 
> space, and people want to try this kit, am I right? I'm in discussions 
> with our buyers and allocators to try and get them to acknowledge the 
> buzz on forums like this about this kit, but so far I'm running on deaf 
> ears. I'm not giving up, however, those guys know me as a person who'll 
> complain for months if I have to, and getting GC to carry Pacific drum 
> racks was one hell of an uphill struggle....
> My store, Orange, CT, will see the DTXpress III set, but most likely 
> not the DTXtreme IIs.
> 
> As for Roland, the V-Compact will be replacing the low-end Pintech 
> Spirit pad sets in GC's product roster, price at $899.99. The V-Tour is 
> currently priced at 1395.99, an will be available in a few weeks time. 
> V-Pro (TD20SBK) will be available in select stores (big market areas, 
> see above) fo $5499.99, that is, until Roland comes to their senses and 
> lowers MAP price. Again, my store will see the V-Compact and the 
> V-Tour, but unlikely the V-Pro.
> 
> I'll keep you all posted on any developments, I hope I can change this 
> trend of our management ignoring customer demands around, at least for 
> a little while. In the meanwhile, bug your local GC drum salespeople 
> and get them to relay to their buyers that you as a customer want to 
> check this set out, and demo then new gear.
> 
> Stuart McConaghy
> Canopus Drums
> Meinl Cymbals
> SilverFox Sticks

Hi Stu,

You might post this info. over at VDrums.com, as there's some 
interest in checking out the Yamaha stuff over there....  Might help 
get the DTXTreme IIS on the floor....

Just curious: does Guitar Center buy the kits on display?  If so, 
they basically invest in the demo kits, and thus have the expense 
of upkeep, depreciation, etc. for the demo kits.  I could see how 
they'd want to limit demos....

But even if not, I could see how they'd want to limit demos only to 
gear that offers the best ROI; in the battle for showroom floor 
space, a manufacturer's products either moves, or they lose their 
real estate.....

####

Seems GC would be better off showing the DTXpress III SP vs 
the III, as they'd get lots of spill-over sales of the newer round 
cymbal pads, plus offer potential buyers a 'taste' of the PCY150S 
from the DTXTreme IIS....   

That's a tough break for Yamaha's DTXpress III line, since 
visually the non-SP kit looks alot like the older stuff, and visually 
raise an eyebrow to warrant further investigation by many 
buyers....  I don't follow that product line closely, and there's 
nothing to tell me a buyer upon casual inspection that it's a new 
product.

In that regard, I don't know why Yamaha EVEN offered the 
plain-jane III kit: why offer a kit with wedge pads, when everyone 
has left that behind?   It seems a tactical blunder now: Yamaha 
is stuck without the ability to get both kits on the showroom floor, 
so loses on the perception front (ESPECIALLY if the XTIIS is 
absent)....

###

I suspect Roland will milk the demand for the TD-20S by trickling 
kits out to dealers, and many dealers WILL get MAP for quite 
some time (at least for the initial waves of buyers).  That's bound 
to put a smile on many dealers faces, and THAT'S the kind of 
thing that gets you on the showroom floor: dealers not having to 
discount below MAP on hot new gear, and a manufacturer who 
protects the dealer's margins.

FWIW, I called my favorite Roland retailer a few weeks ago (the 
weekend after NAMM), and he already had (8) TD-20S kits 
pre-sold, with credit cards pre-authorized.  That's quite a 
statement, right there....

Chris 


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy 
<stuart@s...> wrote:
> I've got some info on my employer Guitar Center's stand on the 
new 
> Yamaha DTXpress III and DTXtreme IIs sets. The DTXpress III 
(i.e., the 
> one with the pie-shaped cymbal pads) will be available in all 
stores 
> from pretty much the second week in February onwards. the 
DTXtreme IIs 
> will come in March to select stores only. If the store near you 
isn't 
> in a big market, i.e. Boston, NYC, Hollywood, Chicago or San 
Francisco, 
> you won't see a DTXtreme IIs in a GC showroom.
> As for the DTXpress III Special, the one with the new round 
cymbal 
> pads, GC will NOT be carrying them. They will NOT be 
available for 
> demoing, they will only be available on a special order basis.
> I personally am pretty disgusted about that, we have the 
showroom 
> space, and people want to try this kit, am I right? I'm in 
discussions 
> with our buyers and allocators to try and get them to 
acknowledge the 
> buzz on forums like this about this kit, but so far I'm running on 
deaf 
> ears. I'm not giving up, however, those guys know me as a 
person who'll 
> complain for months if I have to, and getting GC to carry Pacific 
drum 
> racks was one hell of an uphill struggle....
> My store, Orange, CT, will see the DTXpress III set, but most 
likely 
> not the DTXtreme IIs.
> 
> As for Roland, the V-Compact will be replacing the low-end 
Pintech 
> Spirit pad sets in GC's product roster, price at $899.99. The 
V-Tour is 
> currently priced at 1395.99, an will be available in a few weeks 
time. 
> V-Pro (TD20SBK) will be available in select stores (big market 
areas, 
> see above) fo $5499.99, that is, until Roland comes to their 
senses and 
> lowers MAP price. Again, my store will see the V-Compact and 
the 
> V-Tour, but unlikely the V-Pro.
> 
> I'll keep you all posted on any developments, I hope I can 
change this 
> trend of our management ignoring customer demands around, 
at least for 
> a little while. In the meanwhile, bug your local GC drum 
salespeople 
> and get them to relay to their buyers that you as a customer 
want to 

> check this set out, and demo then new gear.
> 
> Stuart McConaghy
> Canopus Drums
> Meinl Cymbals
> SilverFox Sticks

The regular DTXpress III is currently tagged at 999.99, the Special is 
most likely going to be around 1299.99

Stuart McConaghy
Canopus Drums
Meinl Cymbals
SilverFox Sticks

On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 12:00 PM, gollywillickers wrote:

>
>
> i know this has been discussed before but you seem to have some inside
> dope:
>
> what will be  Guitar Center's  real selling price for the  DTXpress 
> III ???
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> wrote:
> > I've got some info on my employer Guitar Center's stand on the new
> > Yamaha DTXpress III and DTXtreme IIs sets. The DTXpress III (i.e., 
> the
> > one with the pie-shaped cymbal pads) will be available in all stores
> > from pretty much the second week in February onwards. the DTXtreme 
> IIs
> > will come in March to select stores only. If the store near you isn't
> > in a big market, i.e. Boston, NYC, Hollywood, Chicago or San 
> Francisco,
> > you won't see a DTXtreme IIs in a GC showroom.
> > As for the DTXpress III Special, the one with the new round cymbal
> > pads, GC will NOT be carrying them. They will NOT be available for
> > demoing, they will only be available on a special order basis.
> > I personally am pretty disgusted about that, we have the showroom
> > space, and people want to try this kit, am I right? I'm in 
> discussions
> > with our buyers and allocators to try and get them to acknowledge the
> > buzz on forums like this about this kit, but so far I'm running on 
> deaf
> > ears. I'm not giving up, however, those guys know me as a person 
> who'll
> > complain for months if I have to, and getting GC to carry Pacific 
> drum
> > racks was one hell of an uphill struggle....
> > My store, Orange, CT, will see the DTXpress III set, but most likely
> > not the DTXtreme IIs.
> >
> > As for Roland, the V-Compact will be replacing the low-end Pintech
> > Spirit pad sets in GC's product roster, price at $899.99. The V-Tour 
> is
> > currently priced at 1395.99, an will be available in a few weeks 
> time.
> > V-Pro (TD20SBK) will be available in select stores (big market areas,
> > see above) fo $5499.99, that is, until Roland comes to their senses 
> and
> > lowers MAP price. Again, my store will see the V-Compact and the
> > V-Tour, but unlikely the V-Pro.
> >
> > I'll keep you all posted on any developments, I hope I can change 
> this
> > trend of our management ignoring customer demands around, at least 
> for
> > a little while. In the meanwhile, bug your local GC drum salespeople
> > and get them to relay to their buyers that you as a customer want to
> > check this set out, and demo then new gear.
> >
> > Stuart McConaghy
> > Canopus Drums
> > Meinl Cymbals
> > SilverFox Sticks
>
>
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GC does buy the demo kits, designated demo kits are subsidized by the 
manufacturers, so there's no incentive to limit demo kit availability.

With that said, the showroom real estate is allocated primarily to 
acoustic products. There are plenty of products which aren't displayed, 
especially in the electronic field, because the emphasis is on acoustic 
drums. From a salesperson's perspective e-drums aren't very profitable, 
high purchasing costs compared to acoustics plus lack of training from 
the company, or the manufacturers make for a lethal combination of "we 
don't really care" from the employee's and buyer's perspectives. Shame.

Stuart McConaghy
Canopus Drums
Meinl Cymbals
SilverFox Sticks

On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 12:22 PM, feefer2 wrote:

> Hi Stu,
>
> You might post this info. over at VDrums.com, as there's some
> interest in checking out the Yamaha stuff over there....  Might help
> get the DTXTreme IIS on the floor....
>
> Just curious: does Guitar Center buy the kits on display?  If so,
> they basically invest in the demo kits, and thus have the expense
> of upkeep, depreciation, etc. for the demo kits.  I could see how
> they'd want to limit demos....
>
> But even if not, I could see how they'd want to limit demos only to
> gear that offers the best ROI; in the battle for showroom floor
> space, a manufacturer's products either moves, or they lose their
> real estate.....
>
> ####
>
> Seems GC would be better off showing the DTXpress III SP vs
> the III, as they'd get lots of spill-over sales of the newer round
> cymbal pads, plus offer potential buyers a 'taste' of the PCY150S
> from the DTXTreme IIS....  
>
> That's a tough break for Yamaha's DTXpress III line, since
> visually the non-SP kit looks alot like the older stuff, and visually
> raise an eyebrow to warrant further investigation by many
> buyers....  I don't follow that product line closely, and there's
> nothing to tell me a buyer upon casual inspection that it's a new
> product.
>
> In that regard, I don't know why Yamaha EVEN offered the
> plain-jane III kit: why offer a kit with wedge pads, when everyone
> has left that behind?   It seems a tactical blunder now: Yamaha
> is stuck without the ability to get both kits on the showroom floor,
> so loses on the perception front (ESPECIALLY if the XTIIS is
> absent)....
>
> ###
>
> I suspect Roland will milk the demand for the TD-20S by trickling
> kits out to dealers, and many dealers WILL get MAP for quite
> some time (at least for the initial waves of buyers).  That's bound
> to put a smile on many dealers faces, and THAT'S the kind of
> thing that gets you on the showroom floor: dealers not having to
> discount below MAP on hot new gear, and a manufacturer who
> protects the dealer's margins.
>
> FWIW, I called my favorite Roland retailer a few weeks ago (the
> weekend after NAMM), and he already had (8) TD-20S kits
> pre-sold, with credit cards pre-authorized.  That's quite a
> statement, right there....
>
> Chris
>

You can tell whomever at GC that this is all just fine with me. 
Drumbalaya and GC are both about 15-20 minute drives from my house.  
For other people who aren't so lucky with location, if they are going 
to have to wait anyhow, they are likely to just order online...  I'm 
sure Ed at Drumbalaya will send GC a big "Thank You" card with little 
hearts all over it.

    I will be buying a IIISP and I agree:  GC is making a mistake by 
showing the kit that looks at a glace pretty much identical to last 
year's model.  In fact, I think they'd be losing out quite a bit:  
The DTXpress I & II pretty much look the same and have been holding 
down the same showroom floor space for a LONG time.  Everyone comes 
into the drum section of their music store and EXPECTS to see one. 
They know what it looks like and have probably played around on one 
before.  To that crowd of people if the DTXpress III on the floor 
looks like the II (and the original for crying out loud), it will be 
invisible (i.e. been there, done that).  But what could drive more 
impulse traffic than signficantly changing something people have seen 
a zillion times before?


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stuart McConaghy <stuart@s...> wrote:
> I've got some info on my employer Guitar Center's stand on the new 
> Yamaha DTXpress III and DTXtreme IIs sets. The DTXpress III (i.e., 
the 
> one with the pie-shaped cymbal pads) will be available in all 
stores 
> from pretty much the second week in February onwards. the DTXtreme 
IIs 
> will come in March to select stores only. If the store near you 
isn't 
> in a big market, i.e. Boston, NYC, Hollywood, Chicago or San 
Francisco, 
> you won't see a DTXtreme IIs in a GC showroom.
> As for the DTXpress III Special, the one with the new round cymbal 
> pads, GC will NOT be carrying them. They will NOT be available for 
> demoing, they will only be available on a special order basis.
> I personally am pretty disgusted about that, we have the showroom 
> space, and people want to try this kit, am I right? I'm in 
discussions 
> with our buyers and allocators to try and get them to acknowledge 
the 
> buzz on forums like this about this kit, but so far I'm running on 
deaf 
> ears. I'm not giving up, however, those guys know me as a person 
who'll 
> complain for months if I have to, and getting GC to carry Pacific 
drum 
> racks was one hell of an uphill struggle....
> My store, Orange, CT, will see the DTXpress III set, but most 
likely 
> not the DTXtreme IIs.
> 
> As for Roland, the V-Compact will be replacing the low-end Pintech 
> Spirit pad sets in GC's product roster, price at $899.99. The V-
Tour is 
> currently priced at 1395.99, an will be available in a few weeks 
time. 
> V-Pro (TD20SBK) will be available in select stores (big market 
areas, 
> see above) fo $5499.99, that is, until Roland comes to their senses 
and 
> lowers MAP price. Again, my store will see the V-Compact and the 
> V-Tour, but unlikely the V-Pro.
> 
> I'll keep you all posted on any developments, I hope I can change 
this 
> trend of our management ignoring customer demands around, at least 
for 
> a little while. In the meanwhile, bug your local GC drum 
salespeople 
> and get them to relay to their buyers that you as a customer want 
to 

> check this set out, and demo then new gear.
> 
> Stuart McConaghy
> Canopus Drums
> Meinl Cymbals
> SilverFox Sticks

Stuart McConaghy said:
> With that said, the showroom real estate is allocated primarily to
> acoustic products. [SNIP] From a salesperson's perspective e-drums aren't
> very profitable

I'd imagine that Edrums also have quite a much larger technical support &
training overhead. With acoustic drums the training is comparitivly
trivial*** (i.e. if you hit it hard, its loud, hit it soft... what color
did you want? :)

Whereas there are about a bazillion things that can raise a question with
an electronic set.... MIDI? Trigger rejection? Crosstalk? Piezo?
Polyphony? Sample rate? Layers? Programming? WTF??? :D

Vern

***Now, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT talking about training for PLAYING,
I'm talking about training for setup....

-- 
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Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG




Stuart McConaghy said:

> GC does buy the demo kits, designated demo kits are subsidized by the
> manufacturers, so there's no incentive to limit demo kit availability.
>
> With that said, the showroom real estate is allocated primarily to
> acoustic products. There are plenty of products which aren't displayed,
> especially in the electronic field, because the emphasis is on acoustic
> drums. From a salesperson's perspective e-drums aren't very profitable,
> high purchasing costs compared to acoustics plus lack of training from
> the company, or the manufacturers make for a lethal combination of "we
> don't really care" from the employee's and buyer's perspectives. Shame.
>
> Stuart McConaghy
> Canopus Drums
> Meinl Cymbals
> SilverFox Sticks
>
> On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 12:22 PM, feefer2 wrote:
>
>> Hi Stu,
>>
>> You might post this info. over at VDrums.com, as there's some
>> interest in checking out the Yamaha stuff over there....  Might help
>> get the DTXTreme IIS on the floor....
>>
>> Just curious: does Guitar Center buy the kits on display?  If so,
>> they basically invest in the demo kits, and thus have the expense
>> of upkeep, depreciation, etc. for the demo kits.  I could see how
>> they'd want to limit demos....
>>
>> But even if not, I could see how they'd want to limit demos only to
>> gear that offers the best ROI; in the battle for showroom floor
>> space, a manufacturer's products either moves, or they lose their
>> real estate.....
>>
>> ####
>>
>> Seems GC would be better off showing the DTXpress III SP vs
>> the III, as they'd get lots of spill-over sales of the newer round
>> cymbal pads, plus offer potential buyers a 'taste' of the PCY150S
>> from the DTXTreme IIS....
>>
>> That's a tough break for Yamaha's DTXpress III line, since
>> visually the non-SP kit looks alot like the older stuff, and visually
>> raise an eyebrow to warrant further investigation by many
>> buyers....  I don't follow that product line closely, and there's
>> nothing to tell me a buyer upon casual inspection that it's a new
>> product.
>>
>> In that regard, I don't know why Yamaha EVEN offered the
>> plain-jane III kit: why offer a kit with wedge pads, when everyone
>> has left that behind?   It seems a tactical blunder now: Yamaha
>> is stuck without the ability to get both kits on the showroom floor,
>> so loses on the perception front (ESPECIALLY if the XTIIS is
>> absent)....
>>
>> ###
>>
>> I suspect Roland will milk the demand for the TD-20S by trickling
>> kits out to dealers, and many dealers WILL get MAP for quite
>> some time (at least for the initial waves of buyers).  That's bound
>> to put a smile on many dealers faces, and THAT'S the kind of
>> thing that gets you on the showroom floor: dealers not having to
>> discount below MAP on hot new gear, and a manufacturer who
>> protects the dealer's margins.
>>
>> FWIW, I called my favorite Roland retailer a few weeks ago (the
>> weekend after NAMM), and he already had (8) TD-20S kits
>> pre-sold, with credit cards pre-authorized.  That's quite a
>> statement, right there....
>>
>> Chris
>>
>

You're right, Vern. a lot of salespeople won't take the time of day to 
figure out amplification systems for e-drums, like I have, for 
instance. I split my time working in the drum and hitech departments, 
also putting together computer-based recording systems, and still most 
of my colleagues hardly know what they're selling. And from what I hear 
we're one of the better stores...

Stuart McConaghy
Canopus Drums
Meinl Cymbals
SilverFox Sticks

On Monday, February 2, 2004, at 07:29 PM, Vernon Graner wrote:

> Stuart McConaghy said:
> > With that said, the showroom real estate is allocated primarily to
> > acoustic products. [SNIP] From a salesperson's perspective e-drums 
> aren't
> > very profitable
>
> I'd imagine that Edrums also have quite a much larger technical 
> support &
> training overhead. With acoustic drums the training is comparitivly
> trivial*** (i.e. if you hit it hard, its loud, hit it soft... what 
> color
> did you want? :)
>
> Whereas there are about a bazillion things that can raise a question 
> with
> an electronic set.... MIDI? Trigger rejection? Crosstalk? Piezo?
> Polyphony? Sample rate? Layers? Programming? WTF??? :D
>
> Vern
>
> ***Now, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT talking about training for PLAYING,
> I'm talking about training for setup..

Ok... It's late and I came across this weird link.. while looking for
some unrelated Drum Machine information...

<http://www.rockstargames.com/upload/swf/winners/multimedia/drewcope.swf>

wow. ALl I can say is bizarre/k00l Flash required to view the "drum
machine".... I think I've got a headache... but it was cool.. :)

Vern

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG




Stuart McConaghy said:

> You're right, Vern. a lot of salespeople won't take the time of day to
> figure out amplification systems for e-drums, like I have, for
> instance. I split my time working in the drum and hitech departments,
> also putting together computer-based recording systems, and still most
> of my colleagues hardly know what they're selling. And from what I hear
> we're one of the better stores...
>
> Stuart McConaghy
> Canopus Drums
> Meinl Cymbals
> SilverFox Sticks
>
> On Monday, February 2, 2004, at 07:29 PM, Vernon Graner wrote:
>
>> Stuart McConaghy said:
>> > With that said, the showroom real estate is allocated primarily to
>> > acoustic products. [SNIP] From a salesperson's perspective e-drums
>> aren't
>> > very profitable
>>
>> I'd imagine that Edrums also have quite a much larger technical
>> support &
>> training overhead. With acoustic drums the training is comparitivly
>> trivial*** (i.e. if you hit it hard, its loud, hit it soft... what
>> color
>> did you want? :)
>>
>> Whereas there are about a bazillion things that can raise a question
>> with
>> an electronic set.... MIDI? Trigger rejection? Crosstalk? Piezo?
>> Polyphony? Sample rate? Layers? Programming? WTF??? :D
>>
>> Vern
>>
>> ***Now, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT talking about training for PLAYING,
>> I'm talking about training for setup..
>

whoooa Vern, I had my headphones on at a not so low
volume, this thing worked better than coffee to keep
me awake....

bizarre indeed.......... IIIIII like it!

--- Vernon Graner <vern@...> wrote:
> Ok... It's late and I came across this weird link..
> while looking for
> some unrelated Drum Machine information...
> 
>
<http://www.rockstargames.com/upload/swf/winners/multimedia/drewcope.swf>
> 
> wow. ALl I can say is bizarre/k00l Flash required to
> view the "drum
> machine".... I think I've got a headache... but it
> was cool.. :)
> 
> Vern
> 
> -- 
> Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is
> down, then you're
> Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent
> so why are we
> Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course,
> if the network
> http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we
> obviously don't need
> Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we
> paying you?" VLG
> 

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Hey people, I just uploaded another one of my
untalented music compositions!!!!!!, it's in the MP3
folder in the files section, called gone.mp3, excuse
the low audio quality, I lowered the bitrate as much
as possible so it would be a fast upload/download.

By the way, OGD, could you help me move a song I
previously uploaded onto the files section to the MP3
folder, released.mp3 is the name.

Thanks.

For lead guitar I still replace skills with some wacky
strumming.....

I expect your comments, and I know how horrible I sing
and how I suck as a drummer, but I'm still learning,
and I'm proud, these songs are like grandchildren, my
instruments are like my children.....well enough of
me.

bye.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Theguy Withnoeye 
<theguywithnoeye@y...> wrote:
> Hey people, I just uploaded another one of my
> untalented music compositions!!!!!!, it's in the MP3
> folder in the files section, called gone.mp3, excuse
> the low audio quality, I lowered the bitrate as much
> as possible so it would be a fast upload/download.
> 
> By the way, OGD, could you help me move a song I
> previously uploaded onto the files section to the MP3
> folder, released.mp3 is the name.

Hey guy,

A funny thing happened to your first song after I relocated it to the 
MP3 file. It disappeared from the file when I cleared the clipboard. 
Can you upload it yourself to the MP3 file with your second 
composition? Sorry about that. 

Ed

no problem,I will in a moment, internet access is much
faster at work, so it'll be up in a sec.

--- emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Theguy Withnoeye 
> <theguywithnoeye@y...> wrote:
> > Hey people, I just uploaded another one of my
> > untalented music compositions!!!!!!, it's in the
> MP3
> > folder in the files section, called gone.mp3,
> excuse
> > the low audio quality, I lowered the bitrate as
> much
> > as possible so it would be a fast upload/download.
> > 
> > By the way, OGD, could you help me move a song I
> > previously uploaded onto the files section to the
> MP3
> > folder, released.mp3 is the name.
> 
> Hey guy,
> 
> A funny thing happened to your first song after I
> relocated it to the 
> MP3 file. It disappeared from the file when I
> cleared the clipboard. 
> Can you upload it yourself to the MP3 file with your
> second 
> composition? Sorry about that. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> 


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On Mon February 2 2004 10:49 pm, Vernon Graner wrote:
> Ok... It's late and I came across this weird link.. while looking for
> some unrelated Drum Machine information...
>
> <http://www.rockstargames.com/upload/swf/winners/multimedia/drewcope.swf>

Wow!!!  It was cool!  Thanks for finding that!  However, the sun image with 
the monster in it seems sinister...

Stephanie