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Behringer BX600

Behringer BX600

2004-02-09 by emf

Our friend Ken swears that this little 60 watt, $140 bass amp does 
the job with the DTXpress. Now I'm intrigued, if not a little 
skeptical. Could someone who has access to it please confirm or 
respectfully disagree. McCongahy, I hate to put you on the spot, but 
do you have any time to connect this amp to an ekit at GC and see 
what's going on?

Re: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

2004-02-09 by Stuart McConaghy

Nope, GC doesn't carry this amp usually, no way for me to check it out. 
E-drums sound good through the Behringer KX1200, though.

BTW, our store's DTXpress IIISTD kit lasted 2 days... we've never sold 
a DTXpress that fast.

Stuart McConaghy
Canopus Drums
Meinl Cymbals
SilverFox Sticks

On Sunday, February 8, 2004, at 10:06  PM, emf wrote:

> Our friend Ken swears that this little 60 watt, $140 bass amp does
> the job with the DTXpress. Now I'm intrigued, if not a little
> skeptical. Could someone who has access to it please confirm or
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> what's going on?
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Re: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

2004-02-09 by Ken

I would also be interested in other opinions on this amp because, as I said, I have the option to return it for credit towards a keyboard amp.
Ken
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From: emf
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

Our friend Ken swears that this little 60 watt, $140 bass amp does
the job with the DTXpress. Now I'm intrigued, if not a little
skeptical. Could someone who has access to it please confirm or
respectfully disagree. McCongahy, I hate to put you on the spot, but
do you have any time to connect this amp to an ekit at GC and see
what's going on?



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Re: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

2004-02-10 by Vernon Graner

Honestly, this should be a simple matter of looking at the frequency
response listed for the unit. If it is a fairly flat response between,
lets say 100hz and 15khz, it should do an adequate job. I just don't know
of any bass maps with "tweeters" in them... there might be some Jazz bass
enclosures that have, but I haven't seen them.

Most "standard" bass amps (i.e. 50-100 watt "Rock and Roll" amps) do not
need to cover those very high frequencies to reproduce the fingering and
fret noise, or the attack of picking a string. They'll be plenty "bright"
enough with a top end of 6-8khz usually....

So, since the majority of a cymbal's energy is upwards of ~10khz, I can't
imagine a bass amp would be able to accurately reproduce a decent
sounding full drum kit. It might be able to produce a good sounding kick,
but any of the "metal" percussions (cymbals, chinaboy, cowbell etc.)
would sound muffled. This goes the same for a guitar amp (though they
sometimes will have a better high end response).

So, compare the frequency response of a keyboard amp with the stated
frequency response of a bass amp and you should see a VERY sizable
difference. Remember, this is not *just* the amplifier portion, but the
amp and the speaker cabinet it is hooked to. If the freq response listed
just covers the AMP, it might list a wide frequency responce (i.e.
20hz-30khz), but if the speaker/cabinet rolls of dramaticly after 8khz
bercasue it doesn't have a mid range or tweeter speaker... anyway... my
$0.02 :)


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>   the job with the DTXpress. Now I'm intrigued, if not a little
>   skeptical. Could someone who has access to it please confirm or
>   respectfully disagree. McCongahy, I hate to put you on the spot, but
>   do you have any time to connect this amp to an ekit at GC and see
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Re: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

2004-02-10 by Ken

Vernon,
As I said before, IT IS NOT LISTED anywhere in the manual of on their web site. Maybe someone else has that information. Hope so.
Ken
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Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

Honestly, this should be a simple matter of looking at the frequency
response listed for the unit. If it is a fairly flat response between,
lets say 100hz and 15khz, it should do an adequate job. I just don't know
of any bass maps with "tweeters" in them... there might be some Jazz bass
enclosures that have, but I haven't seen them.

Most "standard" bass amps (i.e. 50-100 watt "Rock and Roll" amps) do not
need to cover those very high frequencies to reproduce the fingering and
fret noise, or the attack of picking a string. They'll be plenty "bright"
enough with a top end of 6-8khz usually....

So, since the majority of a cymbal's energy is upwards of ~10khz, I can't
imagine a bass amp would be able to accurately reproduce a decent
sounding full drum kit. It might be able to produce a good sounding kick,
but any of the "metal" percussions (cymbals, chinaboy, cowbell etc.)
would sound muffled. This goes the same for a guitar amp (though they
sometimes will have a better high end response).

So, compare the frequency response of a keyboard amp with the stated
frequency response of a bass amp and you should see a VERY sizable
difference. Remember, this is not *just* the amplifier portion, but the
amp and the speaker cabinet it is hooked to. If the freq response listed
just covers the AMP, it might list a wide frequency responce (i.e.
20hz-30khz), but if the speaker/cabinet rolls of dramaticly after 8khz
bercasue it doesn't have a mid range or tweeter speaker... anyway... my
$0.02 :)


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Ken said:
> I would also be interested in other opinions on this amp because, as I
> said, I have the option to return it for credit towards a keyboard amp.
>
> Ken
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> Subject: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600
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> Our friend Ken swears that this little 60 watt, $140 bass amp does
> the job with the DTXpress. Now I'm intrigued, if not a little
> skeptical. Could someone who has access to it please confirm or
> respectfully disagree. McCongahy, I hate to put you on the spot, but
> do you have any time to connect this amp to an ekit at GC and see
> what's going on?
>
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Research Report: Behringer BX600

2004-02-10 by Vernon Graner

Hmm I found this lack of specs intersting.. so I did a bit of research. I
did find the manual for th unti here:

<http://www.instrumentpro.com/Merchant2/specSheets/behringer/BEHRINGERBX600Manual.pdf>

But amazingly, they don't have a single frequesncy response listing!
Though they do list the impeadence of the jacks and use lots of words
like "musical" and "punchy", I couldn't find any hard facts on the amp
itself (i.e. Total Harmonic Distortion at rated power, Noise floor etc.)

So I dug a little further and found a manula for simular product from
peavy here:

<http://www.peavey.com/support/searchmanuals/list/microbass95.cfm>

And lo and behold! They *do* include the specs:

------------------ CLIP ----------------------
POWER AMP SECTION
Rated Power & Load:
20 W RMS into 4 ohms with DDT\ufffd compression
Power @ Clipping: (typically)
(1 kHz, 120 V AC line)
24 W RMS into 4 ohms @ 1% THD
26 W RMS into 4 ohms @ 5% THD
Frequency Response:
+0, -2 dB, 80 Hz to 10 kHz, @ 20 W RMS into
4 ohms
Total Harmonic Distortion:
Less than 0.2%, 100 mW to 20 W RMS, 60 Hz to
10 kHz, 4 ohms, typically below 0.1%
DDT\ufffd Dynamic Range:
Greater than 20 dB
DDT\ufffd Maximum THD:
Below 0.1% THD for 6 dB overload
Below 1% THD for 14 dB overload
Hum & Noise:
Greater than 78 dB below rated power
PREAMP SECTION
The following specs are measured @ 1 kHz with the Low and
High EQ @ 10, Mid EQ @ 0. Nominal levels are with gain @ 5.
Minimum levels are with gain @ 10.
Preamp Input:
Impedance: High-Z, 220 k ohms
Nominal Input Level: -22 dBV, 80 mV RMS
Minimum Input Level: -40 dBV, 10 mV RMS
Maximum Input Level: 0 dBV, 1 V RMS
Headphone Output:
Load Impedance: 4 ohms or greater
Nominal Power Output: 100 mV into 4 ohms
(Stereo jack, monaural signal disconnects internal
speaker when phone plug is inserted)
System Hum & Noise @ Nominal Input Level:
(20 Hz to 20 kHz unweighted)
78 dB below rated power
Equalization:
Low, Mid, & High passive type with special filtering
and brightness
------------------ /CLIP ---------------------

This tells me all I need to know about the amp. It's obvious that it
won't priduce much of anything beyond 10khz. Also, while searching for
info on this model of behringer, I found a few reviews such as this:

<http://www.guitar-review.com/review-display/6545.html>


------------CLIP ---------------
Behringer BX600
Manufacturer: Behringer
Model: BX600

Purchase: Purchased in Feb. '03 from American Musical Supply.com fro
$115.00 plus shipping. Purchased because of perceived value based of
feature/price ratio.

Likes: Many features including 3-band Eq, passsive & active inputs, tape
in, line out as well as headphone jacks. Very portable (not too heavy).

Dislikes: Upon delivery of the amp, the packaging was so badly damaged
that I took photographs of it before opening the box as a precaution in
case there was any damage to the actual unit. There was no visible damage
but I was surprised to find no power cord and no English language owner's
manual in the box. I contacted AMS and they sent out a power cord and
manual. After about 4 months of gentle use as a practice amp, it
developed a loud buzzing noise whenever certain notes were played. This
happens even at low volume. Since it was past the 45-day period, American
Musical Supply would not accept a return. After sending several
unanswered emails to support@..., I found the telephone number
for your US office. When I contacted Behringer customer service
department, I was given a return authorization number. I told the Service
Administrator that assisted me that I was unhappy with Behringer's policy
requiring the customer to pay the shipping costs to their authorized
repair center. The customer service rep. indicated that I would have to
ship the amp to a service center in NYC at my own expense to have it
repaired. It cost over $20 to have the amp shipped to the repair center.
I contacted American Musical Supply's customer service department but
they would not do anything to help me with this issue. When I spoke to
their customer service manager, she said, "That's the risk you take when
ordering products on the Internet." After receiving the unit back from
the repair center, I tested the unit and the problem has NOT been
resolved. The unit continues to buzz very loudly whenever certain notes
are played on the bass guitar. This unit is obviously defective.

Quality: The quality of this unit is in my opion, very poor to the the
ongoing issue with the buzzing. Other than that, the physical contruction
of the cabinet seems to be sound.

Summary: Buyer beware! I would not recommend purchasing any equipment
from Behringer or American Musical Supply. The customer service for both
companies is poor. The quality of the Behringer product is very poor.
They do not have a developed service network in the US. Before purchasing
a product on-line, find out where the companies nearest repair center is
located. Stick to manufacturers that have local repair centers to avoid
shipping costs.

------------/CLIP --------------


This was not unique. It seems that quite a few people hate the behringer
unit:

From here: http://www.harmony-central.com/

comes this:

---------------- CLIP -----------------
Features: 1
I purchased the BX600 thru a 'friendly musician' mail order company for a
practice / emergency back up amp. I played the BX600 for 15 seconds at
medium volume and it broke down. I sent it back and ordered another BX600
and the same thing happened! I must admit that the amp sounded good and
performed well for the 15 seconds. But I don't think I can afford enough
of these amps that would be needed to get me thru a gig.

Submitted by joe at 11/22/2003 11:30
---------------- /CLIP ----------------

Of course, then a few click later I found some glowing reviews like this:

http://www.bgra.net/reviews/behringer-bx600-1-rvw.html
--------------------- CLIP -------------------
I am unrelated to Behringer. I own several of their mixers, their Quad
Compressor, and the Ultra-Curve EQ as well. I'm continually surprised by
the strong performance of Behringer products for their price. They're not
just competing, they producing top-rate stuff.

I compared the BX600 to the BX300 and the BX1200 and it won, hands down,
even over every other 12" amp in the store, except the Gallien-Kruger
Micro-Bass at $700+. I've used opto-limiters in professional recording,
and they are the Rolls-Royce of compression. With it, it is impossible to
get this amp to distort. Turn it up full blast and it just gets louder
and louder without a trace of strain or distortion. It is even louder
than the BX1200 which has twice the power! With the EQ set to Flat, this
thing shakes a room with more fundamental frequency than any small amp
I've ever heard. If you don't like it, you can always turn it down. But
if it's not there to begin with, turning up the bass won't get it. This
amp definitely has bass, as opposed to the rusty-bed-spring twang common
to most bass amps.

The shape function really is what puts these amps over the top. This one
little knob will get you ANY tone you want. I play 6 string fretted and 6
string fretless, and the shape control allows me to quickly get the
classic tone I want for each bass. There is $1000 worth of tone in that
control knob alone!

Being the curious type I had to open mine up to see what was inside.
There is no fiberglass or acoustic damping inside the speaker cabinet. I
will probably add some, but that's my quirk. The speaker surprised me
with a very lightweight man-made-material cone as well as a mongo magnet.
It has a stamped-frame basket, but the frame is convoluted to prevent it
from flexing during hard use. The fit and finish from the interior view
shows very high quality workmanship.

The street price is now $139 for this BX600. And what a deal it is. The
only problem is that I'll have to carry this amp to all my gigs so I can
input it's fabulous tone to the main sound systems.
---------------------- CLIP ------------------
Anyway, thats all the research I have time for today (have to go pretend
to work now!) :)

Vern


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Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" \ufffdVLG

Re: [DTXpress] Research Report: Behringer BX600

2004-02-10 by Vernon Graner

arg.. srory for all hte speeling erors! I hit sned bfroe I hti speel chekc!

;)

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Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" \ufffdVLG

RE: [DTXpress] Research Report: Behringer BX600

2004-02-10 by nicholas.gunn@btconnect.com

I have heard some really good things about the Behringer B300
  • 2-way bi-amping with two high-power amps, 300 Watts total power
  • 15" long-throw woofer with high-power magnet
  • High-efficiency 1 1 /4 " titanium HF driver
  • Integrated 2-band EQ, crossover and limiters
  • ULN mic preamp for direct connection of dynamic microphones
  • Phase and time correction circuitries for optimal alignment
  • Integrated suspension points and pole socket
  • Servo-balanced XLR link output
Product Description
The B300 successfully combines high-tech materials, intelligent signal processing technology and innovative design, resulting in a multi-functional system with unique features like built-in EQ, ULN mic preamp and limiters. Using state-of-the-art computer simulation, we developed a new wave guide that ensures an extremely wide, phase-accurate dispersion pattern, guaranteeing consistent resolution regardless of listening position. Based on the bi-amping principle, each of the B300’s drivers is powered by a dedicated high-power amplifier using an active, phase-optimized crossover network. Each frequency band is protected against overload via integrated limiters, ensuring complete speaker protection and distortion-free reproduction even at maximum levels. A unique and highly efficient cooling system uses the air movement in the bass reflex tunnel to cool the amplifiers.

Its innovative design enables the B300 to be used as an active floor monitor. Add compact dimensions, minimal weight, stacking and flying fittings and flexible connections, and you’ve got an ideal system for a variety of PA applications.

Looks good to me

Gunny

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From: Vernon Graner [mailto:vern@...]
Sent: 10 February 2004 20:48
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Research Report: Behringer BX600

Hmm I found this lack of specs intersting.. so I did a bit of research. I
did find the manual for th unti here:

<http://www.instrumentpro.com/Merchant2/specSheets/behringer/BEHRINGERBX600Manual.pdf>

But amazingly, they don't have a single frequesncy response listing!
Though they do list the impeadence of the jacks and use lots of words
like "musical" and "punchy", I couldn't find any hard facts on the amp
itself (i.e. Total Harmonic Distortion at rated power, Noise floor etc.)

So I dug a little further and found a manula for simular product from
peavy here:

<http://www.peavey.com/support/searchmanuals/list/microbass95.cfm>

And lo and behold! They *do* include the specs:

------------------ CLIP ----------------------
POWER AMP SECTION
Rated Power & Load:
20 W RMS into 4 ohms with DDT™ compression
Power @ Clipping: (typically)
(1 kHz, 120 V AC line)
24 W RMS into 4 ohms @ 1% THD
26 W RMS into 4 ohms @ 5% THD
Frequency Response:
+0, -2 dB, 80 Hz to 10 kHz, @ 20 W RMS into
4 ohms
Total Harmonic Distortion:
Less than 0.2%, 100 mW to 20 W RMS, 60 Hz to
10 kHz, 4 ohms, typically below 0.1%
DDT™ Dynamic Range:
Greater than 20 dB
DDT™ Maximum THD:
Below 0.1% THD for 6 dB overload
Below 1% THD for 14 dB overload
Hum & Noise:
Greater than 78 dB below rated power
PREAMP SECTION
The following specs are measured @ 1 kHz with the Low and
High EQ @ 10, Mid EQ @ 0. Nominal levels are with gain @ 5.
Minimum levels are with gain @ 10.
Preamp Input:
Impedance: High-Z, 220 k ohms
Nominal Input Level: -22 dBV, 80 mV RMS
Minimum Input Level: -40 dBV, 10 mV RMS
Maximum Input Level: 0 dBV, 1 V RMS
Headphone Output:
Load Impedance: 4 ohms or greater
Nominal Power Output: 100 mV into 4 ohms
(Stereo jack, monaural signal disconnects internal
speaker when phone plug is inserted)
System Hum & Noise @ Nominal Input Level:
(20 Hz to 20 kHz unweighted)
78 dB below rated power
Equalization:
Low, Mid, & High passive type with special filtering
and brightness
------------------ /CLIP ---------------------

This tells me all I need to know about the amp. It's obvious that it
won't priduce much of anything beyond 10khz. Also, while searching for
info on this model of behringer, I found a few reviews such as this:

<http://www.guitar-review.com/review-display/6545.html>


------------CLIP ---------------
Behringer BX600
Manufacturer: Behringer
Model: BX600

Purchase: Purchased in Feb. '03 from American Musical Supply.com fro
$115.00 plus shipping. Purchased because of perceived value based of
feature/price ratio.

Likes: Many features including 3-band Eq, passsive & active inputs, tape
in, line out as well as headphone jacks. Very portable (not too heavy).

Dislikes: Upon delivery of the amp, the packaging was so badly damaged
that I took photographs of it before opening the box as a precaution in
case there was any damage to the actual unit. There was no visible damage
but I was surprised to find no power cord and no English language owner's
manual in the box. I contacted AMS and they sent out a power cord and
manual. After about 4 months of gentle use as a practice amp, it
developed a loud buzzing noise whenever certain notes were played. This
happens even at low volume. Since it was past the 45-day period, American
Musical Supply would not accept a return. After sending several
unanswered emails to support@..., I found the telephone number
for your US office. When I contacted Behringer customer service
department, I was given a return authorization number. I told the Service
Administrator that assisted me that I was unhappy with Behringer's policy
requiring the customer to pay the shipping costs to their authorized
repair center. The customer service rep. indicated that I would have to
ship the amp to a service center in NYC at my own expense to have it
repaired. It cost over $20 to have the amp shipped to the repair center.
I contacted American Musical Supply's customer service department but
they would not do anything to help me with this issue. When I spoke to
their customer service manager, she said, "That's the risk you take when
ordering products on the Internet." After receiving the unit back from
the repair center, I tested the unit and the problem has NOT been
resolved. The unit continues to buzz very loudly whenever certain notes
are played on the bass guitar. This unit is obviously defective.

Quality: The quality of this unit is in my opion, very poor to the the
ongoing issue with the buzzing. Other than that, the physical contruction
of the cabinet seems to be sound.

Summary: Buyer beware! I would not recommend purchasing any equipment
from Behringer or American Musical Supply. The customer service for both
companies is poor. The quality of the Behringer product is very poor.
They do not have a developed service network in the US. Before purchasing
a product on-line, find out where the companies nearest repair center is
located. Stick to manufacturers that have local repair centers to avoid
shipping costs.

------------/CLIP --------------


This was not unique. It seems that quite a few people hate the behringer
unit:

From here: http://www.harmony-central.com/

comes this:

---------------- CLIP -----------------
Features: 1
I purchased the BX600 thru a 'friendly musician' mail order company for a
practice / emergency back up amp. I played the BX600 for 15 seconds at
medium volume and it broke down. I sent it back and ordered another BX600
and the same thing happened! I must admit that the amp sounded good and
performed well for the 15 seconds. But I don't think I can afford enough
of these amps that would be needed to get me thru a gig.

Submitted by joe at 11/22/2003 11:30
---------------- /CLIP ----------------

Of course, then a few click later I found some glowing reviews like this:

http://www.bgra.net/reviews/behringer-bx600-1-rvw.html
--------------------- CLIP -------------------
I am unrelated to Behringer. I own several of their mixers, their Quad
Compressor, and the Ultra-Curve EQ as well. I'm continually surprised by
the strong performance of Behringer products for their price. They're not
just competing, they producing top-rate stuff.

I compared the BX600 to the BX300 and the BX1200 and it won, hands down,
even over every other 12" amp in the store, except the Gallien-Kruger
Micro-Bass at $700+. I've used opto-limiters in professional recording,
and they are the Rolls-Royce of compression. With it, it is impossible to
get this amp to distort. Turn it up full blast and it just gets louder
and louder without a trace of strain or distortion. It is even louder
than the BX1200 which has twice the power! With the EQ set to Flat, this
thing shakes a room with more fundamental frequency than any small amp
I've ever heard. If you don't like it, you can always turn it down. But
if it's not there to begin with, turning up the bass won't get it. This
amp definitely has bass, as opposed to the rusty-bed-spring twang common
to most bass amps.

The shape function really is what puts these amps over the top. This one
little knob will get you ANY tone you want. I play 6 string fretted and 6
string fretless, and the shape control allows me to quickly get the
classic tone I want for each bass. There is $1000 worth of tone in that
control knob alone!

Being the curious type I had to open mine up to see what was inside.
There is no fiberglass or acoustic damping inside the speaker cabinet. I
will probably add some, but that's my quirk. The speaker surprised me
with a very lightweight man-made-material cone as well as a mongo magnet.
It has a stamped-frame basket, but the frame is convoluted to prevent it
from flexing during hard use. The fit and finish from the interior view
shows very high quality workmanship.

The street price is now $139 for this BX600. And what a deal it is. The
only problem is that I'll have to carry this amp to all my gigs so I can
input it's fabulous tone to the main sound systems.
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Anyway, thats all the research I have time for today (have to go pretend
to work now!) :)

Vern


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Re: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

2004-02-12 by Michael Lieberman

Hello Ken,
I have owned the DTexpress 1 for 4 years, and have been playing in a party band, which can be a little loud for about 18 months, previously played drums for about 30 years in some indi rock band.
I purchased the B300, not the b600. It has bigger amplification and the sound is what I would consider as adequate.
Any smaller power amplifiers would clip when using bass drum and deep floor toms together when playing.
The B300 is a more robust and a simpler unit to use and play with.
But it is very heavy for its size. It has the 15" woofer and horn which gives the frequency response to cover the E drum range.
You can link another B300 to gain even greater sound pressure and ease the load on a single unit, but have not seen as necessary.
The B300 is more expensive than the B600 though.
Regards
Mike

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I would also be interested in other opinions on this amp because, as I said, I have the option to return it for credit towards a keyboard amp.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: emf
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Behringer BX600

Our friend Ken swears that this little 60 watt, $140 bass amp does
the job with the DTXpress. Now I'm intrigued, if not a little
skeptical. Could someone who has access to it please confirm or
respectfully disagree. McCongahy, I hate to put you on the spot, but
do you have any time to connect this amp to an ekit at GC and see
what's going on?



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