Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I'm (soon to be) getting a DTXpress III kit, and was wondering if I 
could do the following?....

(taking a tom input as an example...)


Since the tom inputs are 'dual' inputs (trigger and switch) would it 
be possible to put the tom and another mono pad into the same input 
socket but wire the tom to the trigger (as normal I presume?) and 
the other pad to the switch (then assigning the switch to another 
sound) and therefore get two different sounds from one dual input?

I hope so, because the only thing I find restricting about the 
DTExpress is the minimal amount of 'connections' you can get

Cheers

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
<kirkmangraham2000@y...> wrote:
> I'm (soon to be) getting a DTXpress III kit, and was wondering if I 
> could do the following?....
> 
> (taking a tom input as an example...)
> 
> 
> Since the tom inputs are 'dual' inputs (trigger and switch) would 
it 
> be possible to put the tom and another mono pad into the same input 
> socket but wire the tom to the trigger (as normal I presume?) and 
> the other pad to the switch (then assigning the switch to another 
> sound) and therefore get two different sounds from one dual input?
> 
> I hope so, because the only thing I find restricting about the 
> DTExpress is the minimal amount of 'connections' you can get

I'm going to give you the short answer on this one, because we've 
discussed it at length in the archives many times (search 
under "switch" or "stereo pad"): "No." Not that we here, and others 
elsewhere, haven't explored it both physically and theoretically over 
the years.  You simply cannot treat a stereo input as though it were 
two mono inputs (or a dual-zone input) like 9/10, unless you can 
invent a magic box that activates the switch for the added pad while 
triggering the piezo on the main pad at the same time. When extra 
inputs 9/10 are no longer available, a trigger to MIDI device or 
second module are unavoidable. You have to spend substantially more 
money for a first module at this stage of the game for the privilege 
of a good-sized kit without outside help.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> Not that we here, and others 
> elsewhere, haven't explored it both physically and theoretically 
over 
> the years.

I still wake up sometimes in the night and think "I've got it!" 
before quickly realising that I haven't.  Sad to think that I 
actually dream about gaining an extra input or two! :-)

Chris

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <proguk@h...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Not that we here, and others 
> > elsewhere, haven't explored it both physically and theoretically 
> over 
> > the years.
> 
> I still wake up sometimes in the night and think "I've got it!" 
> before quickly realising that I haven't.  Sad to think that I 
> actually dream about gaining an extra input or two! :-)

Chris,

I've fantasized about it, too, and I've brought it to new comic 
heights: "Okay, if it can't be done electronically, what can be done 
mechanically?" That's when all these Rube Goldberg-like contraptions 
start filling my head. I came up with one idea that had a pulley 
system attached to my arm and, at the other end, to a stick that 
would hit the main piezo whenever I hit the remotely activated 
switch. Funny, neither OGD nor Stewart, who were discussing 
electronic experimentation at the time, seemed to think much of my 
suggestion.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> I came up with one idea that had a pulley 
> system attached to my arm and, at the other end, to a stick that 
> would hit the main piezo whenever I hit the remotely activated 
> switch. 

It all sounds a bit Heath Robinson to me! :-)

Sorry, just keeping the British end up (so to speak).

Chris

Because I don't actually have the kit yet I can't experiment (like 
you guys have ) with the hardware - So i had to ask the question. 
Shame it doesn't seem to work. I guess what you're all saying is 
that in the module, there is no way to assign a sound to the switch 
input? Then what's the point of making dual inputs at all if they 
can't be used? Why not just make all the tom inputs mono?

Plus how does the module know what sound to make when you 'choke' 
the dual trigger cymbal pad - can the choke sound (ie the switch) be 
changed to something else?

--- kirkmangraham2000 wrote:
> Then what's the point of making dual inputs at all
> if they can't be used? Why not just make all the tom
> inputs mono? Plus how does the module know what sound
> to make when you 'choke' the dual trigger cymbal pad -
> can the choke sound (ie the switch) be changed to
> something else?

You really must look back through the group archives - this has been 
discussed in detail many times.

The switch triggers no sound on its own. It modifies the sound 
triggered by the piezo. Piezo with switch open gives one sound (the 
centre of a cymbal, for example), piezo with switch closed (the edge 
of a cymbal) another. For choking, the piezo is not triggered at the 
same time but the module interprets the switch close (for a suitable 
pad type) as an instruction to mute the sound being played. 
Yamaha's "3-zone" inputs are the same, except they have two switches 
and (we assume) the switch transition for one is distinguishable 
from the other; perhaps one goes positive and one negative. There's 
still only one trigger.

The Yamaha inputs are not dual trigger. That description is used for 
pads that have two piezos. They are stereo - a stupid name used to 
distinguish them as having one trigger and one switch.

The stereo inputs CAN be used for separate sounds, they just can't 
be split onto distinct pads (until I figure out how to make my magic 
box).

Stewart

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> --- kirkmangraham2000 wrote:
> > Then what's the point of making dual inputs at all
> > if they can't be used? Why not just make all the tom
> > inputs mono? Plus how does the module know what sound
> > to make when you 'choke' the dual trigger cymbal pad -
> > can the choke sound (ie the switch) be changed to
> > something else?
> 
> You really must look back through the group archives - this has 
been 
> discussed in detail many times.
> 
> The switch triggers no sound on its own. It modifies the sound 
> triggered by the piezo. Piezo with switch open gives one sound 
(the 
> centre of a cymbal, for example), piezo with switch closed (the 
edge 
> of a cymbal) another. For choking, the piezo is not triggered at 
the 
> same time but the module interprets the switch close (for a 
suitable 
> pad type) as an instruction to mute the sound being played. 
> Yamaha's "3-zone" inputs are the same, except they have two 
switches 
> and (we assume) the switch transition for one is distinguishable 
> from the other; perhaps one goes positive and one negative. 
There's 
> still only one trigger.
> 
> The Yamaha inputs are not dual trigger. That description is used 
for 
> pads that have two piezos. They are stereo - a stupid name used to 
> distinguish them as having one trigger and one switch.
> 
> The stereo inputs CAN be used for separate sounds, they just can't 
> be split onto distinct pads (until I figure out how to make my 
magic 
> box).
> 
> Stewart

Thanks for answering in such detail, and I'm sorry - next time I 
will look through the archives...but for now, just one more thing...


What lead goes from the toms - Is it a mono or a stereo one?

What lead goes from the toms - Is it a mono or a stereo one?

I do appologise for my last question - I have now searched the 
archives and found something that completely confuses me as it seems 
to suggest that you can add two mono pads to one of the 'dual' 
inputs ???

PS I know you guys have obviously tried this a 1000 times and it 
doesn't work - but please bear with me as I cling on to the last 
shred of hope of me getting a DTxpress kit to make Neil Peart 
jealous ?!?!

anyway - here's what I've found....

"In order for choking to work, you need to use a PCY80S or a PCY65S.
The choking feature is a part of the rim switch feature that 
is only available on the PCY80S and the PCY65S.

IF you have a stereo cymbal pad, then you will need to set the 
trigger type to a "PCY Crash" pad. Then go to the voice settings for 
that pad and assign a voice for both the pad and for the rim. So if 
it is plugged into input no. 7, you must set Trig In= 7 voices for 
both the pad and the rim. You must also remember to use a stereo 
(Tip/Ring/Sleeve) cable between the pad and the module. Using a mono 
(Tip/Sleeve) cable with a only give you the pad sound and no choking 
even if you have everything else setup correctly."

So why can't I wire two seperate mono pads up using the same stereo 
(Tip/Ring/Sleeve) cable and select one as pad and one as switch and 
assign two differnt sounds to each?  The only reason I can think 
that this won't work is that the switch can't be triggered by 
itself, but only as a direct 'mute' of the pad that it is assigned 
to! Therefore I would have to hit the trigger pad then immediatly 
hit the switch pad to get any sound out?

Wow, I hope that makes some sense?


Cheers.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
<kirkmangraham2000@y...> wrote:
> What lead goes from the toms - Is it a mono or a stereo one?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the III ships with mono toms 
and mono cables, though the tom inputs are compatible with stereo 
pads for use with stereo cables (read forward for more discussion of 
what stereo means in this context).
 
> I do appologise for my last question - I have now searched the 
> archives and found something that completely confuses me as it 
seems 
> to suggest that you can add two mono pads to one of the 'dual' 
> inputs ???

No need to apologize. We're more than happy to field questions. The 
archives can be helpful all around, but they are not easy to navigate 
and don't always clear up confusion.

> So why can't I wire two seperate mono pads up using the same stereo 
> (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) cable and select one as pad and one as switch and 
> assign two differnt sounds to each?  The only reason I can think 
> that this won't work is that the switch can't be triggered by 
> itself, but only as a direct 'mute' of the pad that it is assigned 
> to! Therefore I would have to hit the trigger pad then immediatly 
> hit the switch pad to get any sound out?

As Stewart says, we're stuck with an ambiguous and misleading 
terminology (that nearly every manufacturer, retailer, and enthusiast 
subverts at one time or another) for the different types of pad--
mono, stereo, and dual-zone. The term "stereo" seems to indicate that 
a pad is comprised of two separate but equal components, each having 
the ability to trigger its own sound via a TRS cable. But you nearly 
described why that isn't so. Think of the switch as a toggle like the 
switch on your wall that controls a lamp. All that it can do is turn 
the lamp on or off; without a bulb at the other end, it's useless. 
The rim switch on a stereo pad is just like it, "opening" 
and "closing" the piezo that ultimately is responsible for making a 
noise. But instead of turning the piezo on and off, the switch, true 
to its name, switches the noises that the piezo makes. Without the 
piezo on which it relies, the switch is useless. The electrical 
connection between switch and piezo is subtle. When the switch on the 
rim is struck, the piezo reacts at the same time. If the timing and 
the degree of interaction between switch and piezo are not perfect, 
the desired rim sound won't take place. Hence, the switch must be 
located on the same pad to ensure proper response (unless a magic box 
intervenes between two separate pads to bridge the gap--don't hold 
your breath).

Dual-zone pads (Yamaha doesn't make any of these animals) are 
actually two monos in one, not a single stereo. They house two 
separate but equal piezos. Input 9/10 can be used as a dual-zone 
input or be split to accept two separate mono pads, in just the way 
that you hoped the stereo inputs would. None of the other inputs on 
the traditonal DTXpress units, whether they be designated stereo or 
mono, will be able to trigger the two sounds of a dual-zone pad or 
two mono pads. Nor will input 9/10 be able to trigger two sounds from 
a single stereo pad; the electrical design is completely different.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
> <kirkmangraham2000@y...> wrote:
> > What lead goes from the toms - Is it a mono or a stereo one?
> 
> Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the III ships with mono toms 
> and mono cables, though the tom inputs are compatible with stereo 
> pads for use with stereo cables (read forward for more discussion 
of 
> what stereo means in this context).
>  
> > I do appologise for my last question - I have now searched the 
> > archives and found something that completely confuses me as it 
> seems 
> > to suggest that you can add two mono pads to one of the 'dual' 
> > inputs ???
> 
> No need to apologize. We're more than happy to field questions. 
The 
> archives can be helpful all around, but they are not easy to 
navigate 
> and don't always clear up confusion.
> 
> > So why can't I wire two seperate mono pads up using the same 
stereo 
> > (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) cable and select one as pad and one as switch 
and 
> > assign two differnt sounds to each?  The only reason I can think 
> > that this won't work is that the switch can't be triggered by 
> > itself, but only as a direct 'mute' of the pad that it is 
assigned 
> > to! Therefore I would have to hit the trigger pad then 
immediatly 
> > hit the switch pad to get any sound out?
> 
> As Stewart says, we're stuck with an ambiguous and misleading 
> terminology (that nearly every manufacturer, retailer, and 
enthusiast 
> subverts at one time or another) for the different types of pad--
> mono, stereo, and dual-zone. The term "stereo" seems to indicate 
that 
> a pad is comprised of two separate but equal components, each 
having 
> the ability to trigger its own sound via a TRS cable. But you 
nearly 
> described why that isn't so. Think of the switch as a toggle like 
the 
> switch on your wall that controls a lamp. All that it can do is 
turn 
> the lamp on or off; without a bulb at the other end, it's useless. 
> The rim switch on a stereo pad is just like it, "opening" 
> and "closing" the piezo that ultimately is responsible for making 
a 
> noise. But instead of turning the piezo on and off, the switch, 
true 
> to its name, switches the noises that the piezo makes. Without the 
> piezo on which it relies, the switch is useless. The electrical 
> connection between switch and piezo is subtle. When the switch on 
the 
> rim is struck, the piezo reacts at the same time. If the timing 
and 
> the degree of interaction between switch and piezo are not 
perfect, 
> the desired rim sound won't take place. Hence, the switch must be 
> located on the same pad to ensure proper response (unless a magic 
box 
> intervenes between two separate pads to bridge the gap--don't hold 
> your breath).
> 
> Dual-zone pads (Yamaha doesn't make any of these animals) are 
> actually two monos in one, not a single stereo. They house two 
> separate but equal piezos. Input 9/10 can be used as a dual-zone 
> input or be split to accept two separate mono pads, in just the 
way 
> that you hoped the stereo inputs would. None of the other inputs 
on 
> the traditonal DTXpress units, whether they be designated stereo 
or 
> mono, will be able to trigger the two sounds of a dual-zone pad or 
> two mono pads. Nor will input 9/10 be able to trigger two sounds 
from 
> a single stereo pad; the electrical design is completely different.
> 
> Ed

Cheers matey - this really helps but there's still one more 
question..... (hee hee)

you wrote "If the timing and
the degree of interaction between switch and piezo are not perfect,
the desired rim sound won't take place."

Then how does a cymbal choke work? You can't hit the cymbal with a 
stick and choke it at the same time?

so surely the switch is working by itself there?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
<kirkmangraham2000@y...> wrote:
> you wrote "If the timing and
> the degree of interaction between switch and piezo are not perfect,
> the desired rim sound won't take place."
> 
> Then how does a cymbal choke work? You can't hit the cymbal with a 
> stick and choke it at the same time?
> 
> so surely the switch is working by itself there?

It's a matter of duration. You'll notice that if you hit the edge of 
a stereo cymbal and hold the stick there a split second too long, or 
try to ride the edge, the cymbal will choke. That's why we advise 
newcomers to hit e-cymbals with glancing blows as opposed to direct 
hits. Think of the choking function as more the result of pressure 
sensitivity than percussive impact. The newer yamaha cymbals seem to 
be better at avoiding unwanted chokes, perhaps because the module has 
been programmed to wait longer before choking or because the switch 
itself has been designed to recognize the difference better.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
<kirkmangraham2000@y...> wrote:

> "In order for choking to work, you need to use a PCY80S or a PCY65S.
> The choking feature is a part of the rim switch feature that 
> is only available on the PCY80S and the PCY65S.
> 
> IF you have a stereo cymbal pad, then you will need to set the 
> trigger type to a "PCY Crash" pad. Then go to the voice settings 
for 
> that pad and assign a voice for both the pad and for the rim. So if 
> it is plugged into input no. 7, you must set Trig In= 7 voices for 
> both the pad and the rim. You must also remember to use a stereo 
> (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) cable between the pad and the module. Using a 
mono 
> (Tip/Sleeve) cable with a only give you the pad sound and no 
choking 
> even if you have everything else setup correctly."
> 
> So why can't I wire two seperate mono pads up using the same stereo 
> (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) cable and select one as pad and one as switch and 
> assign two differnt sounds to each?  The only reason I can think 
> that this won't work is that the switch can't be triggered by 
> itself, but only as a direct 'mute' of the pad that it is assigned 
> to! Therefore I would have to hit the trigger pad then immediatly 
> hit the switch pad to get any sound out?
> 
> Wow, I hope that makes some sense?
> 
> 
> Cheers.

That was my response to help recognize what is needed to get a cymbal 
to choke on a DTxpressI.

It may help you if you look through the photos section of this group, 
to see what the inside of the PCY65S and the TP65S look like. The 
only "pad" that Yamaha makes that is a dualzone is the BP80 barpad, 
which has two piezos in it. There are photos of that as well. The 
dual piezos act completely independantly of each other. They do share 
a common ground path, but have independant paths ways for sending 
signals to the module. And as mentioned already Input 9/10 is the 
only dualzone input on the DTxpress module.

Inputs 1-8 are stereo. In a stereo pad you have a central piezo that 
is mounted to the metal plate below the rubber pad. When you strike 
the pad anywhere, the piezo vibrates. If the rim ribbon is not closed 
at the same time, then the module will activate the voice assigned to 
the pad. If the Rim is struck, the pad piezo will also vibrate, along 
with the closure of the rim ribbon. If these happen within a fraction 
of a second of each other then the voice that is assigned to the rim 
is sounded by the module. (If the "RimToPad" setting is "Enabled" in 
the setup, then the module will sound both the voice that is assigned 
to the pad and the voice that is assigned to the rim.) 

If you physically remove the top rubber pad/metal plate that contains 
the piezo from the base housing of the pad of a TP65S and strike the 
rim switch, absolutely nothing will happen. The rim switch is mounted 
to the base housing (see photos in gallery). By isolating the rim 
ribbon switch from the piezo and striking it, you do not vibrate the 
piezo and so no sound is played by the module. 

If you physically take apart two pads, say a TP65 (mono pad) and a 
TP65S (Stereo Pad) and rewire them, such that the tip/ring/sleeve 
that is plugged into input no. 1 (as an example) and the other end 
you wire the tip/sleeve to the TP65 piezo and you wire the ring/ 
sleeve to the TP65S rim ribbon this is what will happen:

When you strike the TP65 the voice assigned to the piezo on input no. 
1 will sound. 

When you strike the TP65S rim ribbon by itself, nothing happens, no 
sound.

If you practice and strike the TP65 pad piezo at exactly the same 
time as the TP65S rim ribbon then the voice assigned to the rim will 
sound. If you strike the TP65 slightly before or after you strike the 
TP65S rim ribbon, then the voice assigned to the TP65 pad piezo 
sounds. 

The choking function on the PCY65S is based on the amount of time 
that the rim switch is physically closed. When you strike the cymbal 
rim switch with a normal hit, the contact time is very short. If you 
strike the rim switch with a blow that continues to press on it, it 
will choke the cymbal, even when you don't want it to. By grabing the 
rim switch and holding it for longer than just a very short time, the 
module will detect it and will choke both edge and pad sounds.

I have physically rip open the pads and cross wired them to try to 
acheive what has be termed the "Holy Grail" of splitting the inputs 
of a stereo input to act as if it were a dual zone input. There have 
been a lot of ideas passed back and forth about how to do this and to 
do it reliably since the beginning of the group in 1999, but with no 
success. Most new owners of the DTxpress kits go through the same 
process that you are going through, only to discovered, it really 
can't be done. Perhaps someone with some electronics experience, 
could eventually come up with a magic box, but I haven't seen one yet.

Hope this helps.

OGD

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
> <kirkmangraham2000@y...> wrote:

... cut a lot of text

> Perhaps someone with some electronics experience, 
> could eventually come up with a magic box, but I haven't seen one yet.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> OGD

Is the magic box something which will take two piezos (from two pads)
and connect to one "stereo" input such that if one pad is struck a
signal will be sent to the DTX box with the switch open, and if the
other piezo is struck it will send that signal to the DTX box but with
the switch closed, thus enabling a completely different sound?  If so,
while it could technically be done, you wouldn't be able to hit both
pads at the same time (well you could, but I am not sure you would
like the resulting sound)!

Keith.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "keith1200rs" <keith@k...> wrote:

> Is the magic box something which will take two piezos (from two 
pads)
> and connect to one "stereo" input such that if one pad is struck a
> signal will be sent to the DTX box with the switch open, and if the
> other piezo is struck it will send that signal to the DTX box but 
with
> the switch closed, thus enabling a completely different sound?  If 
so,
> while it could technically be done, you wouldn't be able to hit 
both
> pads at the same time (well you could, but I am not sure you would
> like the resulting sound)!

That would of course be its limitation but if the magic box was 
cheap enough to build it could still prove useful.

Chris

thanks for all the advice, it appears that I won't be able to do my 
Neil Peart imitations then - oh well - never mind

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
> <The DTXPRESS III ships with 3 mono toms but stereo cables.  I 
assume this is to make upgrades to the toms easier.  I hope someone 
does figure out how to add extra pads without an extra module.  
Ed W

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "eclipse9917042" <ewitters@c...> 
wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
> > <The DTXPRESS III ships with 3 mono toms but stereo cables.  I 
> assume this is to make upgrades to the toms easier.  I hope someone 
> does figure out how to add extra pads without an extra module.  
> Ed W


Ed,

How many stereo and how many mono cables come with Dtxpress III 
standard?

You only need three stereo cables to go to:

The Hihat pedal HH65.
The Snare pad TP65S.
The Crash cymbal PCY65S.

All the other pads should use just the mono cables. Since even the 
DtxpressIIIsp comes with TP65 mono tom pads they wouldn't need them. 

On the Dtxpress IIIsp though the follow pads would need the stereo 
cables:

If extra stereo cables come with it they maybe for the PCY150s, 
PCY130S, RHH130S upgrades that come with the special version as 
oppose to being for stereo tom pads.

OGD

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> How many stereo and how many mono cables come with Dtxpress III 
> standard?
> 
> You only need three stereo cables to go to:
> 
> The Hihat pedal HH65.
> The Snare pad TP65S.
> The Crash cymbal PCY65S.
> 
> All the other pads should use just the mono cables. Since even the 
> DtxpressIIIsp comes with TP65 mono tom pads they wouldn't need 
them. 
> 
> On the Dtxpress IIIsp though the follow pads would need the stereo 
> cables:
> 
> If extra stereo cables come with it they maybe for the PCY150s, 
> PCY130S, RHH130S upgrades that come with the special version as 
> oppose to being for stereo tom pads.

OGD,

That's the way I see it. I've never run into a company that supplied 
stereo cables on speculation. You get the upgraded cables when you 
upgrade the pads. I hope work's calming down for you a little bit.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
 I hope work's calming down for you a little bit.
> 
> Ed

Ed,

I guessing somewhere around the second week of March, things will get 
back to normal.

By the way, Yamaha won't be making a demo video of the Dtxtreme IIS 
until later this year. They are looking to schedule some clinics at 
some of the local stores (GC??), perhaps with Tony V. and will try 
shoot something then. To bad somebody didn't take a video camera to 
NAMM. The next time I PM Jim, maybe I will suggest when he gets a 
chance to sit down with the Dtxtreme IIS this coming week, maybe 
somebody could grab a camera and do an 
impromptu  "Lights,Action,Camera". 


OGD

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "eclipse9917042" <ewitters@c...> 
> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "kirkmangraham2000" 
> > > <The DTXPRESS III ships with 3 mono toms but stereo cables.  I 
> > assume this is to make upgrades to the toms easier.  I hope 
someone 
> > does figure out how to add extra pads without an extra module.  
> > Ed W
> 
> 
> Ed,
> 
> How many stereo and how many mono cables come with Dtxpress III 
> standard?
> 
> You only need three stereo cables to go to:
> 
> The Hihat pedal HH65.
> The Snare pad TP65S.
> The Crash cymbal PCY65S.
> 
> All the other pads should use just the mono cables. Since even the 
> DtxpressIIIsp comes with TP65 mono tom pads they wouldn't need 
them. 
> 
> On the Dtxpress IIIsp though the follow pads would need the stereo 
> cables:
> 
> If extra stereo cables come with it they maybe for the PCY150s, 
> PCY130S, RHH130S upgrades that come with the special version as 
> oppose to being for stereo tom pads.
> 
> OGD


OGD,  
All the cables (9 total) are stereo.  Just to make sure I tested all 
the cables on the snare drum.  All gave me 3 sounds.
Ed W.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "eclipse9917042" <ewitters@c...> 
wrote:
> OGD,  
> All the cables (9 total) are stereo.  Just to make sure I tested 
all 
> the cables on the snare drum.  All gave me 3 sounds.
> Ed W.

That's a nice touch. I wonder if yours were deliberate?  Let's see if 
others get the same package.

Ed