Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

To those of you that have layered your voices:

Could you list some of your favorite combinations for me to try?

TIA, Ken

--- boomer535 wrote:
> Could you list some of your favorite [LAYER]
> combinations for me to try?

Well, my all-time favourite tom settings layer MapleXX with Room1XX 
(where XX is replaced by the tom size, so Maple10 layered with 
Room1Hi and so on). For my rock/fusion I have MapleXX at 115 and 
Room1XX at 90. I vary the proportions by usage, so Jazz kits have 
more Maple and less Room1 and so on.

Stewart

----- Original Message -----

From: moosetication

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Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 3:30 PM

Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Layering?

--- boomer535 wrote:
> Could you list some of your favorite [LAYER]
> combinations for me to try?

Well, my all-time favourite tom settings layer MapleXX with Room1XX
(where XX is replaced by the tom size, so Maple10 layered with
Room1Hi and so on). For my rock/fusion I have MapleXX at 115 and
Room1XX at 90. I vary the proportions by usage, so Jazz kits have
more Maple and less Room1 and so on.

Stewart



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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> --- boomer535 wrote:
> > Could you list some of your favorite [LAYER]
> > combinations for me to try?
> 
> Well, my all-time favourite tom settings layer MapleXX with 
Room1XX 
> (where XX is replaced by the tom size, so Maple10 layered with 
> Room1Hi and so on). For my rock/fusion I have MapleXX at 115 and 
> Room1XX at 90. I vary the proportions by usage, so Jazz kits have 
> more Maple and less Room1 and so on.
> 
> Stewart

OK, I'm diving into this layering thing too. I'm currently trying 
layering the MapleXX toms with the Room2XX toms. I picked Room2 
because they seem to have a sharper attack and seem louder (maybe 
more compression, I'm not sure). One of the things I've found is 
that when you bring in the 2nd layer, you need to pan it out to the 
proper place. Is this typical: tom1 pan = L19;   tom2 pan = C;    
tom3 pan = R25. Also I see that the tuning on tom2 is C=-2. Also 
tom1 Fc = 0;    tom2 Fc = + 19;    tom3 Fc = +14.  My question is do 
you typically have to adjust all these settings when you bring in 
the 2nd layer, and are there other settings that don't default 
properly on the 2nd layer? A couple of other things I've done is to 
add +30 to all of the Fc's to get a brighter more cutting sound. 
Also on the room2 toms I set the layer balance to +20 for the same 
reason. Hope I'm not overkilling anything here. Any opinions?

--- bbdude22004 wrote:
> One of the things I've found is that when you bring
> in the 2nd layer, you need to [mess with other settings].
> Is this typical...

I still haven't figured out the oddities of where the DTXpress gets 
its default settings for pan, coarse and fine tuning and filtering 
from for each voice. I don't know if they travel with the voice 
or "stick" for each layer on an input, or whether it just makes them 
up from time to time. But typically, yes, you will need to at least 
check all these things when tinkering. There's nothing quite so mind-
bending as having two layered voices panned to opposite sides of the 
soundstage! I once managed to have the hi-hat edge on the left and 
the bow on the right. As for where you pan to - well, that's up to 
you. I have mine configured as a seven-piece right now (five toms - 
using some cheats which I'll describe with some new photos later) 
and my soundstage is L15, L5, R5, R15, R25 for the toms. Remember 
there's a neat trick in the module to reverse the soundstage for 
live playing too. And remember to save the kit regularly. I can 
think of fewer things quite so bad for the enamel on your teeth as 
spending an hour setting up a kit and then stupidly hitting 
the "increment kit" button before saving...

Stewart

Oh, and remember you can cross-fade layers too. You could arrange it 
such that the voices transition from MapleXX on low-velocity hits 
through to Room2 to for harder hits. To do this, you'll need to make 
sure the "louder voice" is on layer 2.

Stewart

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> 
> Oh, and remember you can cross-fade layers too. You could arrange 
it 
> such that the voices transition from MapleXX on low-velocity hits 
> through to Room2 to for harder hits. To do this, you'll need to 
make 
> sure the "louder voice" is on layer 2.
> 
> Stewart

Thanks again. How about things like decay? I see that in my 1st 
layer they were set to tom1,2,3 = 0, -6, -3. In the 2nd layer they 
are all set to 0. Should I make both layers follow the 0, -6, -3 
setting?
- Bob

--- bbdude22004 wrote:
> How about things like decay?

Entirely up to the effect you are after. If you just want the Room2 
sounds for attack and the Maple sounds for resonance, you may want 
to have the decay faster on the Room2 and slower on the Maple. Your 
call.

Stewart