Korg DW8000, Mono/Poly, MS-20...

Looks like a new board.  Hope to see it grow. I currently have 2 
korg boards in my line-up. One is a DW6000 which I suppose qualifies 
for this group.I've had it since the late 80's and had retired it 
when the internal battery went out, but recently I missed it and so 
replaced the battery and it is up and running. I am now considering 
a DW8000 but not sure yet. Just wanted to say hi to all and I'll 
check back to see how this group comes along.
:o)  frank

On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:27:39AM -0000, fredbart26753 wrote:

> Looks like a new board.  Hope to see it grow. I currently have 2 
> korg boards in my line-up. One is a DW6000 which I suppose qualifies 
> for this group.I've had it since the late 80's and had retired it 
> when the internal battery went out, but recently I missed it and so 
> replaced the battery and it is up and running. I am now considering 
> a DW8000 but not sure yet. Just wanted to say hi to all and I'll 
> check back to see how this group comes along.
> :o)  frank

Welcome to the group.  I've got both a DW6000 and a DW8000 and while they
sound similar, in my opinion, the DW8000 is so much more expressive because
of it's aftertouch.  I've wanted one for years and finally bought one last
year and have been extrememly pleased with it.  I don't do much more than 
noodle with any of my music equipment, but the DW8000 is my favorite
keyboard by far.

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--- In DW8000@y..., 

Hi Louis,
Thanks for the welcome and the fast reply. I was thinking the same 
thing about the DW8000's aftertouch. The other korg I use is one of 
thosh ix300 Workstations so I am used to the velocity and aftertouch.
The ix is good for 'real' instrument sounds but I like the DW sound 
for synth sounds (especially when they use a lot of that resonant 
filter :o)    I have seen some dw8000s on ebay and am even 
considering trying to get one with the angel city turbo upgrade. For 
my purposes it would be mainly so that the keyboard can be split 
into different sounds. I wonder how well those things work?
  Well GTG for now,
Frank



Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@c...> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:27:39AM -0000, fredbart26753 wrote:
> 
> > Looks like a new board.  Hope to see it grow. I currently have 2 
> > korg boards in my line-up. One is a DW6000 which I suppose 
qualifies 
> > for this group.I've had it since the late 80's and had retired 
it 
> > when the internal battery went out, but recently I missed it and 
so 
> > replaced the battery and it is up and running. I am now 
considering 
> > a DW8000 but not sure yet. Just wanted to say hi to all and I'll 
> > check back to see how this group comes along.
> > :o)  frank
> 
> Welcome to the group.  I've got both a DW6000 and a DW8000 and 
while they
> sound similar, in my opinion, the DW8000 is so much more 
expressive because
> of it's aftertouch.  I've wanted one for years and finally bought 
one last
> year and have been extrememly pleased with it.  I don't do much 
more than 
> noodle with any of my music equipment, but the DW8000 is my 
favorite

> keyboard by far.
> 
> -- 
> Louis Zirkel III (lzirkel@c...)
> Century Development Solutions

On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:19:04PM -0000, fredbart26753 wrote:

> I have seen some dw8000s on ebay and am even considering trying to get
> one with the angel city turbo upgrade. For my purposes it would be
> mainly so that the keyboard can be split into different sounds. I
> wonder how well those things work?

My DW-8000 came from eBay, and aside from needing a minor cleanup it was
in really great shape.  I've never heard of the Angel City turbo upgrade. 
What is it?  I'd be interested in finding out.  My DW800

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--- In DW8000@y..., Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@c...> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:19:04PM -0000, 
> 
> My DW-8000 came from eBay, and aside from needing a minor cleanup 
it was
> in really great shape.  I've never heard of the Angel City turbo 
upgrade. 
> What is it?  I'd be interested in finding out.  My DW800
> 
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I can't tell you anything about it from my own experience but I will 
copy and paste some stuff from an ebay seller's description which 
tells quite a bit. I do know that they exist and I used to see them 
advertising the upgrade in Keyboard Magazine back in the 80's. The 
Angel City place was/is somewhere in Pennsylvania but I don't know 
whether they are still in business. I think I can find some of those 
old 80's mags around here somewhere....anyhow......here is some of 
what the seller has to say..............

**PLUS THIS UNIT HAS THE ANGEL CITY TURBO UPGRADE!**

The Turbo upgrade gives you

11 NEW parameters to mold your sound!

32 NEW sounds!

split points on the keyboard for Volume, Sounds, Midi channels, 
Layering! You can use one end of the keys for internal sounds and 
the other end to trigger an external module! How cool! I have spent 
soooo many hours playing with these new parameters! And easy too!
THIS UNIT COMES WITH

Korg DW8000-Manual (missing cover), the power cable, and a like NEW 
ROK SAK gig bag that I had bought for a Korg M1, also the PATCH 
sheet that I created on Microsoft EXELL to keep track of your 
patches. The internal battery is a continous recharger from the 
factory but the battery for the turbo upgrade is not, BUT it has a 
brand new battery in it I changed 2 months ago, I will leave the 
patches I created in the unit, I do not have the factory original 
back up tape , but you can get it off the net, but why?! This unit 
is too easy to program!

NEW
PARAMETERS
18 Sounds B (11-88)
27 Transpose A (0-12)
28 Detune A/B (0-6)
37 Split Point (0-63)
38 Volume A/B (1-7)
36 Turbo Mode (1-8)
1 normal mode
2 local off lower
3 local off upper
4 local off both
5 split A/B
6 split B/A
7 layer lower
8 layer upper
MIDI GLOBAL
78 Midi Mode
1 all keys on #1
2 upper #1 lower #2
3 lower #1 upper #2
84 #1 Channel (1-16)
88 #2 Channel (1-16)
88 NOTE/ALL DATA ON#1
86 Omni off/on (0-1)
Times are getting hard, so I am forced to sell off part of my 
collection.
My loss is Your gain
..........................................
Me here again...this unit was kind of overpriced and went with no 
bids but it gives a lot of details.
Till later,
Frank

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:02:29AM -0000, fredbart26753 wrote:

> I can't tell you anything about it from my own experience but I will 
> copy and paste some stuff from an ebay seller's description which 
> tells quite a bit. I do know that they exist and I used to see them 
> advertising the upgrade in Keyboard Magazine back in the 80's. The 
> Angel City place was/is somewhere in Pennsylvania but I don't know 
> whether they are still in business. I think I can find some of those 
> old 80's mags around here somewhere....anyhow......here is some of 
> what the seller has to say..............

That sounds pretty sweet...  I've been hunting (as it looks like everyone
has) for a patch editor/librarian for my DW8000.  I finally tracked down
a manual so I'm actually thinking of breaking down and writing my own
patch editor.  I don't know if anyone else might be interested or not,
but to start it'll only be available on Linux (my development platform
of choice), but I may look towards making it work on Windows/Mac at some
point.  I may possibly be getting a Mac PowerBook in the near future and
if I do that'll probably be my second target.

Any thoughts or ideas are welcome! :)

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--- In DW8000@y..., Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@c...> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:02:29AM -0000,
 
> That sounds pretty sweet...  I've been hunting (as it looks like 
everyone
> has) for a patch editor/librarian for my DW8000.  I finally 
tracked down
> a manual so I'm actually thinking of breaking down and writing my 
own
> patch editor.  I don't know if anyone else might be interested or 
not,
> but to start it'll only be available on Linux (my development 
platform
> of choice), but I may look towards making it work on Windows/Mac 
at some
> point.  I may possibly be getting a Mac PowerBook in the near 
future and
> if I do that'll probably be my second target.
> 
> Any thoughts or ideas are welcome! :)
> 
> -- 
> Louis Zirkel III (lzirkel@c...)
> Century Development Solutions


Sounds like a patch editor would be pretty welcome. Much of the 80's 
gear is making a come back and the only editor I have seen for the 
dw8000 is no longer supported by the guy who wrote it , though it is 
still available for download on his web site.
Frank

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 08:38:40AM -0000, fredbart26753 wrote:

> Sounds like a patch editor would be pretty welcome. Much of the 80's 
> gear is making a come back and the only editor I have seen for the 
> dw8000 is no longer supported by the guy who wrote it , though it is 
> still available for download on his web site.

Yeah, I've seen the editor, and downloaded it, source code and all.  I
could never get it to work, and like the guy says on the page, getting
it to compile with newer compiles just doesn't cut it...  That's partly
why I'd like to write a new one.

The other reason is that I use Linux, not Windows.  I'd like to have something
that could work with some sort of "plug-in" system so that I could support
other gear that I have, such as my 2 TX81Zs, TX7, DW6000, and Juno-106.  It'd
be really nice to be able to have a librarian to keep all those sounds
organized.  

Then the last reason is just that it sounds like fun to write.  I guess I'm
kinda sick that way. :)  Anyway, it all boils down to whether or not I end up
getting the time to write it or not.  

Here's hoping.


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--- In DW8000@y..., Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@c...> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 08:38:40AM -0000, 
> 
> Yeah, I've seen the editor, and downloaded it, source code and 
all.  I
> could never get it to work, and like the guy says on the page, 
getting
> it to compile with newer compiles just doesn't cut it...  That's 
partly
> why I'd like to write a new one.
> 
> The other reason is that I use Linux, not Windows.  I'd like to 
have something
> that could work with some sort of "plug-in" system so that I could 
support
> other gear that I have, such as my 2 TX81Zs, TX7, DW6000, and Juno-
106.  It'd
> be really nice to be able to have a librarian to keep all those 
sounds
> organized.  
> 
> Then the last reason is just that it sounds like fun to write.  I 
guess I'm
> kinda sick that way. :)  Anyway, it all boils down to whether or 
not I end up
> getting the time to write it or not.  
> 
> Here's hoping.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Century Development Solutions



Hehe,  I guess someone needs to be "that sick" or we wouldn't have 
any software. Must be lots of really sick ppl running around. I'm 
not a programmer myself but I know what you mean about the time 
element though. I will probably be out of touch for the next 7 days 
due to that very thing. 
   Do you happen to have any good sounds for the DW6000? I lost all 
of mine when my internal battery died and those old original data 
sheets are mostly unreadable. I never did have the programing 
cassette.  I do however have a wave file which I found on the 
Australian Web with Copernicus. The guy made it himself but it isnt 
very useful to me.  It is just kind of neat that you can play a wave 
file (data) into the back of the DW6000/8000 and get a full bank of 
patches.
Frank

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 07:29:04PM -0000, fredbart26753 wrote:

> Hehe,  I guess someone needs to be "that sick" or we wouldn't have 
> any software. Must be lots of really sick ppl running around. I'm 
> not a programmer myself but I know what you mean about the time 
> element though. I will probably be out of touch for the next 7 days 
> due to that very thing. 

Time.  You can never have enough of it... :)

>    Do you happen to have any good sounds for the DW6000? I lost all 
> of mine when my internal battery died and those old original data 
> sheets are mostly unreadable. I never did have the programing 
> cassette.  I do however have a wave file which I found on the 
> Australian Web with Copernicus. The guy made it himself but it isnt 
> very useful to me.  It is just kind of neat that you can play a wave 
> file (data) into the back of the DW6000/8000 and get a full bank of 
> patches.

I haven't really played that much with my DW-6000.  I got it just
before I got my DW-8000 and so it hasn't been played with much at all.
I'd really like to get my "studio" (if you can call it that) set up
so I could play with all my keyboards.  Alas, we're back to the time
issue... :(  I also need to get the tuning on the DW-6000 fixed.  It's
slightly out of tune and the slider for that seems to be broken. :(

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--- fredbart26753 <fredbart26753@...>
wrote:
> replaced the battery and it is up and running.
> I am now considering 
> a DW8000 but not sure yet. Just wanted to say
> hi to all and I'll 
> check back to see how this group comes along.
> :o)  frank
> 

Hey frank, I found a web site that has user
reviews on it for various types of synthesizers,
including both the DW6000 and the DW8000.

the link for the dw6000 is
http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Korg/DW-6000-01.html

and the one for the dw8000 is
http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Korg/DW-8000-01.html

I thought that maybe hearing about other people's
opinions might give you an idea of the
differences between the two.

Take care!

jim

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-- Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:02:29AM -0000,
> fredbart26753 wrote:
> DW8000.  I finally tracked down
> a manual so I'm actually thinking of breaking


Where?? Where??? I ordered one from
www.marshallparts.com/manual_list.asp but it is
on "back order" and They don't know when it will
be in. I ordered it over 3 weeks ago!!  Where did
you get yours??  I heard it gives specs for
Sysex? I was thinking of writting something too.
I also run Linux (debian), but the only editors
that I have been able to find are for windows.

jim

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> Sounds like a patch editor would be pretty
> welcome. Much of the 80's 
> gear is making a come back and the only editor
> I have seen for the 
> dw8000 is no longer supported by the guy who
> wrote it , though it is 
> still available for download on his web site.
> Frank 
> 

Yeah, he even has the source code - written in VB
3.0! He says he hasn't owned a Korg in years! Ah
well...

jim


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> Hehe,  I guess someone needs to be "that sick"
> or we wouldn't have 
> any software. Must be lots of really sick ppl
> running around. I'm 

now see here, just because us programmers are
sick doesn't mean we are.. umm.. sick.. errr.. 
never mind..


>    Do you happen to have any good sounds for
> the DW6000? I lost all 
> of mine when my internal battery died and those
> old original data 
> sheets are mostly unreadable. I never did have
> the programing 

Ooo.. I've got an idea! I'm going to write a
program that..  Ooo! I need a manual!!! OO! this
is good!!  :-)

> cassette.  I do however have a wave file which
> I found on the 
> Australian Web with Copernicus. The guy made it
> himself but it isnt 
> very useful to me.  It is just kind of neat
> that you can play a wave 
> file (data) into the back of the DW6000/8000
> and get a full bank of 
> patches.

you can?!?!?!  I don't have any tapes for my
dw8000, not even sure how it works. dammit, I
sure wish they would hurry up and send that
manual.





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On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:34:42PM -0800, Xucaen wrote:

> Where?? Where??? I ordered one from
> www.marshallparts.com/manual_list.asp but it is
> on "back order" and They don't know when it will
> be in. I ordered it over 3 weeks ago!!  Where did
> you get yours??  I heard it gives specs for
> Sysex? I was thinking of writting something too.
> I also run Linux (debian), but the only editors
> that I have been able to find are for windows.

Maybe we could collaborate on a patch editor.  I've not found anything in my
searching so that's what lead me to decide I should write one.  I haven't
really dug into my DW-8000 manual to find the SYSEX stuff, but I'd be
interested in writing something modular enough that it would allow for working
with other keyboards as well.

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On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:20:09PM -0800, Xucaen wrote:

> you can?!?!?!  I don't have any tapes for my
> dw8000, not even sure how it works. dammit, I
> sure wish they would hurry up and send that
> manual.

Which keyboard is the manual for?  I've got one for the DW-8000, but not for
the DW-6000.  I don't know how much difference there is (some I'm sure).

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--- In DW8000@y..., Xucaen <xucaen@y...> wrote:
> > Hehe,  I guess someone needs to be "that sick"
> > or we wouldn't have 
> > any software. Must be lots of really sick ppl
> > running around. I'm 
> 
> now see here, just because us programmers are
> sick doesn't mean we are.. umm.. sick.. errr.. 
> never mind..
> 
> 
> >    Do you happen to have any good sounds for
> > the DW6000? I lost all 
> > of mine when my internal battery died and those
> > old original data 
> > sheets are mostly unreadable. I never did have
> > the programing 
> 
> Ooo.. I've got an idea! I'm going to write a
> program that..  Ooo! I need a manual!!! OO! this
> is good!!  :-)
> 
> > cassette.  I do however have a wave file which
> > I found on the 
> > Australian Web with Copernicus. The guy made it
> > himself but it isnt 
> > very useful to me.  It is just kind of neat
> > that you can play a wave 
> > file (data) into the back of the DW6000/8000
> > and get a full bank of 
> > patches.
> 
> you can?!?!?!  I don't have any tapes for my
> dw8000, not even sure how it works. dammit, I
> sure wish they would hurry up and send that
> manual.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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There is a tape input on the back and you can load a whole bank of 
sounds in about 14 seconds. It works the other way too...you can 
write a full bank of sounds onto a tape for backup or storage.
Frank

--- In DW8000@y..., Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@c...> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:20:09PM -0800,
> 
> Which keyboard is the manual for?  I've got one for the DW-8000, 
but not for
> the DW-6000.  I don't know how much difference there is (some I'm 
sure).
> 
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I have the DW6000 manual. The main differences I know about are the 
velocity/aftertouch, dw6000 lacks the onboard delay, dw8000 has 
twice as many waveforms in the ROM.
Frank

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:06:30PM -0000, fredbart26753 wrote:

> I have the DW6000 manual. The main differences I know about are the 
> velocity/aftertouch, dw6000 lacks the onboard delay, dw8000 has 
> twice as many waveforms in the ROM.

Sweet.  Well if you end up getting a DW-8000 and it doesn't have a manual
I'd be happy to trade you photocopies. :)

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--- Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@...> wrote:
> Maybe we could collaborate on a patch editor. 
> I've not found anything in my
> searching so that's what lead me to decide I
> should write one.  I haven't
> really dug into my DW-8000 manual to find the
> SYSEX stuff, but I'd be
> interested in writing something modular enough
> that it would allow for working
> with other keyboards as well.
> 

That would be fun. I've been programming for 4
years and I know C and C++, but designing isn't
my strong point, though I'm sure we could come up
with something. What language did you have in
mind? Hmmm.... this is getting off-topic. I
wonder if we need a DW8000-Development list.  :-)

jim


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--- Louis Zirkel III <lzirkel@...> wrote:
> 
> Which keyboard is the manual for?  I've got one
> for the DW-8000, but not for
> the DW-6000.  I don't know how much difference
> there is (some I'm sure).
> 

I have a DW8000. It is my first and only synth.

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--- fredbart26753 <fredbart26753@...>
wrote:

> 
> There is a tape input on the back and you can
> load a whole bank of 
> sounds in about 14 seconds. It works the other
> way too...you can 
> write a full bank of sounds onto a tape for
> backup or storage.
> Frank
> 
> 

Someone was telling me that all you need is a
mono tape recorder. Is that true? I see the tape
in and out ports but is there a button on the
Korg to start uploading/downloading sounds?
One of the parameters perhaps?

jim

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--- In DW8000@y..., Xucaen <xucaen@y...> wrote:
> 
> ---  
> 
> Someone was telling me that all you need is a
> mono tape recorder. Is that true? I see the tape
> in and out ports but is there a button on the
> Korg to start uploading/downloading sounds?
> One of the parameters perhaps?
> 
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On the dw6000 I have there are Bank/Parameter keys # 1-4 which 
double (triple) as #1.save     #2load   #3.verify     #4.cancel.
These are the keys involved with the tape interface.

frank