Digital BW, The Print

No doubt the BO on the 1400 will be better than the 2200 based on picoliter
droplet size for sure.  And I liked the 2200 BO results.  Having a full set
of Eboni-6 I did try BO using QTR but frankly did not like it that much.
Maybe I'm spoiled for the Eboni-6 results with the Epson driver.  Sharp as a
tack and smooooooth tones.

That said I've had troulbe using QTR and getting good results using the full
eboni-6 set so I'm sticking with the Epson driver for now....

-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

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http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Andrew Sharpe <asharpe@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> From a limited amount of research, it appears that the 2200 has a 4
> picoliter droplet size. The 1400 has a 1.5 picoliter droplet size, so
> even the BO on the 1400 will most likely be smoother than the BO on the
> 2200. Certainly the extra inks will help, and reduce the possibility of
> microbanding, but I get pretty damn good results out of one Eboni ink in
> the 1400, and I believe others on this list do, as well.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On 8/31/2010, "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@... <rich815%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >If it helps at all I having been printing BO with Eboni ink using a Epson
> >2200 and was quite happy for a long time.
> >
> >I have a 1400 now with a full set of Eboni-6 inks and it blows the Epson
> >2200 BO results out of the water just using the Epson driver. Those 5
> >dilutions do make a difference, how much vs. 3-dilutions or whatever other
> >3-black ink solution you were mentioning I do not know, I just know it
> >works. Trying to stay BO with only one ink just because you are not sure
> or
> >do not see how 5-dilute inks will help any could be making it more
> >troublesome than it's worth. Perhaps you'd save money but the 5 dilute
> inks
> >can only help when subtle shading and gradations are so key to and can
> make
> >all the difference between an ok B&W print and one that really pops and
> >makes people go "Wow!"
> >
> >--
> >Richard S.
> >Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> >
> >My Photography Website
> >http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
> >
> >My Flickr River
> >http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...m<roark.paul%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "peter843" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing.
> >> > I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.
> >> >
> >> > The MIS BO kit --
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.inksupply.com/refill_cart.cfm?oem_cart=EPS-T0791&printerID=512--
> >> > contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges.
> >> > Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
> >>
> >> > I've been reading about different options for several days
> >> > and I find it confusing.
> >>
> >> There are a number of options, and it can be confusing. I have the MIS
> >> optioins I've been involved with listed at
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Inkset-list.html
> >>
> >>
> >> > I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the need
> >> for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.
> >>
> >> Printing with only a single ink can look very good for many images,
> >> assuming the printer is a good one. With a single ink, however, smooth
> areas
> >> of the print may be a little rougher -- more grainy -- than you'd like.
> The
> >> dilute inks allow very smooth printing, with no visible dots at all.
> >>
> >> One thing to consider is whether you want to print on matte paper or
> >> glossy. The Eboni inks are matte only. With an inkset like MIS UT14, you
> can
> >> print on either type without changing inks. You also have control of
> image
> >> tones -- cool to warm. Eboni-6, like all monotone inksets, can print a
> >> narrower range of tones based on what paper you choose.
> >>
> >> The Eb1400 that Sylvain mentions and I use now is written up at
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf
> >>
> >> MIS does not directly support this inkset because I use a Hewlett
> Packard
> >> Z3100/3200 Vivera photo black ink in it. This gives me the smooth matte
> >> printing of Eboni-6 but also the ability to control matte print tones as
> >> well as print neutral glossy prints with a simple black only type of
> curve,
> >> using QuadToneRip. While it's a relatively easy inkset to put together,
> MIS
> >> does not sell it as a kit.
> >>
> >>
> >> > I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink
> >> > but if that means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then
> >> > that doesn't make sense to me either.
> >>
> >> One ink is easier in some respects, but not others. The Epson driver
> does
> >> not support black only printing. So, while QuadToneRip --
> >> http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html --
> >> is an outstanding product, it's one more thing to learn before you'll
> >> actually get good results.
> >>
> >> So, what I recommend is that people start with an inkset that allows
> them
> >> to simply use the Epson driver. Then you can work your way down the
> learning
> >> curve one step at a time. Eboni-6 as well as UT14 use this approach. The
> >> general, one step at a time approach is written up in
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf starting at page 3.
> >>
> >> Note that if you start with Eboni-6 you can easily add the HP PK neutral
> >> glossy ink later.
> >>
> >> Note also with all black only approaches that some printers do well with
> it
> >> while others may show some microbanding. Multiple inks hide the defects
> of
> >> printers. At the prices we pay for these printers, don't expect
> perfection
> >> in every one and every ink position. For example, my 1400 can print an
> >> essentially perfect black only with the HP PK in the Cyan position (at
> home,
> >> but not at 10,000 feet in the Sierras, I discovered this year), but when
> I
> >> tried the HP PK in the yellow position, the printer showed microbanding.
> I
> >> think the 1400 is the best value and an excellent printer, but these
> >> machines are not perfect.
> >>
> >> Good luck with the B&W.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> <
> http://www.paulroark.com/>
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/
> >>
> >>
> >
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