Digital BW, The Print

I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing. I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.

The MIS BO kit contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges. Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?

Do you have the URL for that MIS "BO kit" for the 1400? 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter843" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

>
> I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing. I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.
> 
> The MIS BO kit contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges. Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
>

If you plan to get a 1400 dedicated to B&W, then I think it's worth getting a Eb6 or Eb1400 kit. They allow BO, with the advantage of hexatone printing.

 Le mar 31/08/10 00:01, "peter843" yahoogroups@... a écrit:

> I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing. I thought I would
> start off with BO printing using one ink.
> The MIS BO kit contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges. Does
> each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
>

http://www.inksupply.com/refill_cart.cfm?oem_cart=EPS-T0791&printerID=512

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> Do you have the URL for that MIS "BO kit" for the 1400? 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter843" <yahoogroups@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing. I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.
> > 
> > The MIS BO kit contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges. Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
> >
>

I've been reading about different options for several days and I find it confusing. I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the need for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.

I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink but if that means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then that doesn't make sense to me either.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sylvain <sylvain@...> wrote:

>
> If you plan to get a 1400 dedicated to B&W, then I think it's worth getting a Eb6 or Eb1400 kit. They allow BO, with the advantage of hexatone printing.
> 
>  Le mar 31/08/10 00:01, "peter843" yahoogroups@... a écrit:
> > I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing. I thought I would
> > start off with BO printing using one ink.
> > The MIS BO kit contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges. Does
> > each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
> >
>

I've been reading about different options for several days and I find it confusing. I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the need for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.

I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink but if that means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then that doesn't make sense to me either.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sylvain <sylvain@...> wrote:

>
> If you plan to get a 1400 dedicated to B&W, then I think it's worth getting a Eb6 or Eb1400 kit. They allow BO, with the advantage of hexatone printing.
> 
>  Le mar 31/08/10 00:01, "peter843" yahoogroups@... a écrit:
> > I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing. I thought I would
> > start off with BO printing using one ink.
> > The MIS BO kit contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges. Does
> > each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
> >
>

Eb6 is composed by 6 different dilutions of the Eboni carbon Ink. The aim is to get the best quality while using dilution for highlights instead of (even) small black dots.
Moreover, diluted carbon inks give warmer results.

Eb1400 is Eb6 with only the first 5 dilutions, the 6th ink is a cool black ink (UT14-C or HPPK) that allows you to tune the tones of your print. I'm using this kit and I can tell you it's really wonderfull (thanks Paul!!!)

Sylvain.

 Le mar 31/08/10 11:54, "peter843" yahoogroups@... a écrit:

> I've been reading about different options for several days and I find it
> confusing. I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the
> need for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.
> I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink but if that
> means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then that doesn't make sense
> to me either.

I've read that printers like the R2400 do an excellent job of B&W with just 3 blacks. So considering that, using 6 blacks seems a bit much.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sylvain <sylvain@...> wrote:

>
> Eb6 is composed by 6 different dilutions of the Eboni carbon Ink. The aim is to get the best quality while using dilution for highlights instead of (even) small black dots.
> Moreover, diluted carbon inks give warmer results.
> 
> Eb1400 is Eb6 with only the first 5 dilutions, the 6th ink is a cool black ink (UT14-C or HPPK) that allows you to tune the tones of your print. I'm using this kit and I can tell you it's really wonderfull (thanks Paul!!!)
> 
> Sylvain.
> 
>  Le mar 31/08/10 11:54, "peter843" yahoogroups@... a écrit:
> > I've been reading about different options for several days and I find it
> > confusing. I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the
> > need for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.
> > I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink but if that
> > means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then that doesn't make sense
> > to me either.
>

"peter843" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:



>

> I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing. 
> I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.
> 
> The MIS BO kit -- 
> http://www.inksupply.com/refill_cart.cfm?oem_cart=EPS-T0791&printerID=512  --
> contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges.
> Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?


> I've been reading about different options for several days 
> and I find it confusing. 

There are a number of options, and it can be confusing.  I have the MIS optioins I've been involved with listed at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Inkset-list.html

> I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the need
for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.

Printing with only a single ink can look very good for many images, assuming the printer is a good one.  With a single ink, however, smooth areas of the print may be a little rougher -- more grainy -- than you'd like.  The dilute inks allow very smooth printing, with no visible dots at all.

One thing to consider is whether you want to print on matte paper or glossy.  The Eboni inks are matte only.  With an inkset like MIS UT14, you can print on either type without changing inks.  You also have control of image tones -- cool to warm.  Eboni-6, like all monotone inksets, can print a narrower range of tones based on what paper you choose.

The Eb1400 that Sylvain mentions and I use now is written up at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf

MIS does not directly support this inkset because I use a Hewlett Packard Z3100/3200 Vivera photo black ink in  it.  This gives me the smooth matte printing of Eboni-6 but also the ability to control matte print tones as well as print neutral glossy prints with a simple black only type of curve, using QuadToneRip.  While it's a relatively easy inkset to put together, MIS does not sell it as a kit.


> I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink 
> but if that means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then 
> that doesn't make sense to me either.

One ink is easier in some respects, but not others.  The Epson driver does not support black only printing.  So, while QuadToneRip -- 
http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html -- 
is an outstanding product, it's one more thing to learn before you'll actually get good results.

So, what I recommend is that people start with an inkset that allows them to simply use the Epson driver.  Then you can work your way down the learning curve one step at a time.  Eboni-6 as well as UT14 use this approach.  The general, one step at a time approach is written up in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf starting at page 3.

Note that if you start with Eboni-6 you can easily add the HP PK neutral glossy ink later.

Note also with all black only approaches that some printers do well with it while others may show some microbanding.  Multiple inks hide the defects of printers.  At the prices we pay for these printers, don't expect perfection in every one and every ink position.  For example, my 1400 can print an essentially perfect black only with the HP PK in the Cyan position (at home, but not at 10,000 feet in the Sierras, I discovered this year), but when I tried the HP PK in the yellow position, the printer showed microbanding.  I think the 1400 is the best value and an excellent printer, but these machines are not perfect.

Good luck with the B&W. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/

If it helps at all I having been printing BO with Eboni ink using a Epson
2200 and was quite happy for a long time.

I have a 1400 now with a full set of Eboni-6 inks and it blows the Epson
2200 BO results out of the water just using the Epson driver.  Those 5
dilutions do make a difference, how much vs. 3-dilutions or whatever other
3-black ink solution you were mentioning I do not know, I just know it
works.  Trying to stay BO with only one ink just because you are not sure or
do not see how 5-dilute inks will help any could be making it more
troublesome than it's worth.  Perhaps you'd save money but the 5 dilute inks
can only help when subtle shading and gradations are so key to and can make
all the difference between an ok B&W print and one that really pops and
makes people go "Wow!"

-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
>
> "peter843" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing.
> > I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.
> >
> > The MIS BO kit --
> >
> http://www.inksupply.com/refill_cart.cfm?oem_cart=EPS-T0791&printerID=512--
> > contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges.
> > Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
>
> > I've been reading about different options for several days
> > and I find it confusing.
>
> There are a number of options, and it can be confusing. I have the MIS
> optioins I've been involved with listed at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Inkset-list.html
>
>
> > I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the need
> for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.
>
> Printing with only a single ink can look very good for many images,
> assuming the printer is a good one. With a single ink, however, smooth areas
> of the print may be a little rougher -- more grainy -- than you'd like. The
> dilute inks allow very smooth printing, with no visible dots at all.
>
> One thing to consider is whether you want to print on matte paper or
> glossy. The Eboni inks are matte only. With an inkset like MIS UT14, you can
> print on either type without changing inks. You also have control of image
> tones -- cool to warm. Eboni-6, like all monotone inksets, can print a
> narrower range of tones based on what paper you choose.
>
> The Eb1400 that Sylvain mentions and I use now is written up at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf
>
> MIS does not directly support this inkset because I use a Hewlett Packard
> Z3100/3200 Vivera photo black ink in it. This gives me the smooth matte
> printing of Eboni-6 but also the ability to control matte print tones as
> well as print neutral glossy prints with a simple black only type of curve,
> using QuadToneRip. While it's a relatively easy inkset to put together, MIS
> does not sell it as a kit.
>
>
> > I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink
> > but if that means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then
> > that doesn't make sense to me either.
>
> One ink is easier in some respects, but not others. The Epson driver does
> not support black only printing. So, while QuadToneRip --
> http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html --
> is an outstanding product, it's one more thing to learn before you'll
> actually get good results.
>
> So, what I recommend is that people start with an inkset that allows them
> to simply use the Epson driver. Then you can work your way down the learning
> curve one step at a time. Eboni-6 as well as UT14 use this approach. The
> general, one step at a time approach is written up in
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf starting at page 3.
>
> Note that if you start with Eboni-6 you can easily add the HP PK neutral
> glossy ink later.
>
> Note also with all black only approaches that some printers do well with it
> while others may show some microbanding. Multiple inks hide the defects of
> printers. At the prices we pay for these printers, don't expect perfection
> in every one and every ink position. For example, my 1400 can print an
> essentially perfect black only with the HP PK in the Cyan position (at home,
> but not at 10,000 feet in the Sierras, I discovered this year), but when I
> tried the HP PK in the yellow position, the printer showed microbanding. I
> think the 1400 is the best value and an excellent printer, but these
> machines are not perfect.
>
> Good luck with the B&W.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/
>
>


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Thanks for the advice.

I was planning on starting off with QTR. Your instructions look pretty simple so I'll use Eb6 and start off with the Epson driver.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> One ink is easier in some respects, but not others.  The Epson driver does not support black only printing.  So, while QuadToneRip -- 
> http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html -- 
> is an outstanding product, it's one more thing to learn before you'll actually get good results.
> 
> So, what I recommend is that people start with an inkset that allows them to simply use the Epson driver.  Then you can work your way down the learning curve one step at a time.  Eboni-6 as well as UT14 use this approach.  The general, one step at a time approach is written up in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf starting at page 3.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 1400 now with a full set of Eboni-6 inks and it blows the Epson
> 2200 BO results out of the water just using the Epson driver.  

That is good to know. I had the impression that QTR was needed to make it look good and that the results from the Epson driver would be mediocre.

From a limited amount of research, it appears that the 2200 has a 4
picoliter droplet size. The 1400 has a 1.5 picoliter droplet size, so
even the BO on the 1400 will most likely be smoother than the BO on the
2200. Certainly the extra inks will help, and reduce the possibility of
microbanding, but I get pretty damn good results out of one Eboni ink in
the 1400, and I believe others on this list do, as well.

Andrew

On 8/31/2010, "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...> wrote:

>If it helps at all I having been printing BO with Eboni ink using a Epson
>2200 and was quite happy for a long time.
>
>I have a 1400 now with a full set of Eboni-6 inks and it blows the Epson
>2200 BO results out of the water just using the Epson driver.  Those 5
>dilutions do make a difference, how much vs. 3-dilutions or whatever other
>3-black ink solution you were mentioning I do not know, I just know it
>works.  Trying to stay BO with only one ink just because you are not sure or
>do not see how 5-dilute inks will help any could be making it more
>troublesome than it's worth.  Perhaps you'd save money but the 5 dilute inks
>can only help when subtle shading and gradations are so key to and can make
>all the difference between an ok B&W print and one that really pops and
>makes people go "Wow!"
>
>--
>Richard S.
>Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>
>My Photography Website
>http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
>
>My Flickr River
>http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
>
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "peter843" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing.
>> > I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.
>> >
>> > The MIS BO kit --
>> >
>> http://www.inksupply.com/refill_cart.cfm?oem_cart=EPS-T0791&printerID=512--
>> > contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges.
>> > Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
>>
>> > I've been reading about different options for several days
>> > and I find it confusing.
>>
>> There are a number of options, and it can be confusing. I have the MIS
>> optioins I've been involved with listed at
>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Inkset-list.html
>>
>>
>> > I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the need
>> for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.
>>
>> Printing with only a single ink can look very good for many images,
>> assuming the printer is a good one. With a single ink, however, smooth areas
>> of the print may be a little rougher -- more grainy -- than you'd like. The
>> dilute inks allow very smooth printing, with no visible dots at all.
>>
>> One thing to consider is whether you want to print on matte paper or
>> glossy. The Eboni inks are matte only. With an inkset like MIS UT14, you can
>> print on either type without changing inks. You also have control of image
>> tones -- cool to warm. Eboni-6, like all monotone inksets, can print a
>> narrower range of tones based on what paper you choose.
>>
>> The Eb1400 that Sylvain mentions and I use now is written up at
>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf
>>
>> MIS does not directly support this inkset because I use a Hewlett Packard
>> Z3100/3200 Vivera photo black ink in it. This gives me the smooth matte
>> printing of Eboni-6 but also the ability to control matte print tones as
>> well as print neutral glossy prints with a simple black only type of curve,
>> using QuadToneRip. While it's a relatively easy inkset to put together, MIS
>> does not sell it as a kit.
>>
>>
>> > I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink
>> > but if that means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then
>> > that doesn't make sense to me either.
>>
>> One ink is easier in some respects, but not others. The Epson driver does
>> not support black only printing. So, while QuadToneRip --
>> http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html --
>> is an outstanding product, it's one more thing to learn before you'll
>> actually get good results.
>>
>> So, what I recommend is that people start with an inkset that allows them
>> to simply use the Epson driver. Then you can work your way down the learning
>> curve one step at a time. Eboni-6 as well as UT14 use this approach. The
>> general, one step at a time approach is written up in
>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf starting at page 3.
>>
>> Note that if you start with Eboni-6 you can easily add the HP PK neutral
>> glossy ink later.
>>
>> Note also with all black only approaches that some printers do well with it
>> while others may show some microbanding. Multiple inks hide the defects of
>> printers. At the prices we pay for these printers, don't expect perfection
>> in every one and every ink position. For example, my 1400 can print an
>> essentially perfect black only with the HP PK in the Cyan position (at home,
>> but not at 10,000 feet in the Sierras, I discovered this year), but when I
>> tried the HP PK in the yellow position, the printer showed microbanding. I
>> think the 1400 is the best value and an excellent printer, but these
>> machines are not perfect.
>>
>> Good luck with the B&W.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/
>>
>>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

No doubt the BO on the 1400 will be better than the 2200 based on picoliter
droplet size for sure.  And I liked the 2200 BO results.  Having a full set
of Eboni-6 I did try BO using QTR but frankly did not like it that much.
Maybe I'm spoiled for the Eboni-6 results with the Epson driver.  Sharp as a
tack and smooooooth tones.

That said I've had troulbe using QTR and getting good results using the full
eboni-6 set so I'm sticking with the Epson driver for now....

-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Andrew Sharpe <asharpe@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> From a limited amount of research, it appears that the 2200 has a 4
> picoliter droplet size. The 1400 has a 1.5 picoliter droplet size, so
> even the BO on the 1400 will most likely be smoother than the BO on the
> 2200. Certainly the extra inks will help, and reduce the possibility of
> microbanding, but I get pretty damn good results out of one Eboni ink in
> the 1400, and I believe others on this list do, as well.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On 8/31/2010, "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@... <rich815%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >If it helps at all I having been printing BO with Eboni ink using a Epson
> >2200 and was quite happy for a long time.
> >
> >I have a 1400 now with a full set of Eboni-6 inks and it blows the Epson
> >2200 BO results out of the water just using the Epson driver. Those 5
> >dilutions do make a difference, how much vs. 3-dilutions or whatever other
> >3-black ink solution you were mentioning I do not know, I just know it
> >works. Trying to stay BO with only one ink just because you are not sure
> or
> >do not see how 5-dilute inks will help any could be making it more
> >troublesome than it's worth. Perhaps you'd save money but the 5 dilute
> inks
> >can only help when subtle shading and gradations are so key to and can
> make
> >all the difference between an ok B&W print and one that really pops and
> >makes people go "Wow!"
> >
> >--
> >Richard S.
> >Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> >
> >My Photography Website
> >http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
> >
> >My Flickr River
> >http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...m<roark.paul%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "peter843" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I'm thinking of getting a 1400 for just B&W printing.
> >> > I thought I would start off with BO printing using one ink.
> >> >
> >> > The MIS BO kit --
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.inksupply.com/refill_cart.cfm?oem_cart=EPS-T0791&printerID=512--
> >> > contains one bottle of ink and six empty cartridges.
> >> > Does each cartridge have to be filled with ink?
> >>
> >> > I've been reading about different options for several days
> >> > and I find it confusing.
> >>
> >> There are a number of options, and it can be confusing. I have the MIS
> >> optioins I've been involved with listed at
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Inkset-list.html
> >>
> >>
> >> > I was thinking of starting with Eb6 but I don't understand the need
> >> for 5 dilutions unless it is simply to fill each cartridge.
> >>
> >> Printing with only a single ink can look very good for many images,
> >> assuming the printer is a good one. With a single ink, however, smooth
> areas
> >> of the print may be a little rougher -- more grainy -- than you'd like.
> The
> >> dilute inks allow very smooth printing, with no visible dots at all.
> >>
> >> One thing to consider is whether you want to print on matte paper or
> >> glossy. The Eboni inks are matte only. With an inkset like MIS UT14, you
> can
> >> print on either type without changing inks. You also have control of
> image
> >> tones -- cool to warm. Eboni-6, like all monotone inksets, can print a
> >> narrower range of tones based on what paper you choose.
> >>
> >> The Eb1400 that Sylvain mentions and I use now is written up at
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf
> >>
> >> MIS does not directly support this inkset because I use a Hewlett
> Packard
> >> Z3100/3200 Vivera photo black ink in it. This gives me the smooth matte
> >> printing of Eboni-6 but also the ability to control matte print tones as
> >> well as print neutral glossy prints with a simple black only type of
> curve,
> >> using QuadToneRip. While it's a relatively easy inkset to put together,
> MIS
> >> does not sell it as a kit.
> >>
> >>
> >> > I thought it would be simpler to start off with just one ink
> >> > but if that means filling 6 cartridges with the same ink then
> >> > that doesn't make sense to me either.
> >>
> >> One ink is easier in some respects, but not others. The Epson driver
> does
> >> not support black only printing. So, while QuadToneRip --
> >> http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html --
> >> is an outstanding product, it's one more thing to learn before you'll
> >> actually get good results.
> >>
> >> So, what I recommend is that people start with an inkset that allows
> them
> >> to simply use the Epson driver. Then you can work your way down the
> learning
> >> curve one step at a time. Eboni-6 as well as UT14 use this approach. The
> >> general, one step at a time approach is written up in
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb1400.pdf starting at page 3.
> >>
> >> Note that if you start with Eboni-6 you can easily add the HP PK neutral
> >> glossy ink later.
> >>
> >> Note also with all black only approaches that some printers do well with
> it
> >> while others may show some microbanding. Multiple inks hide the defects
> of
> >> printers. At the prices we pay for these printers, don't expect
> perfection
> >> in every one and every ink position. For example, my 1400 can print an
> >> essentially perfect black only with the HP PK in the Cyan position (at
> home,
> >> but not at 10,000 feet in the Sierras, I discovered this year), but when
> I
> >> tried the HP PK in the yellow position, the printer showed microbanding.
> I
> >> think the 1400 is the best value and an excellent printer, but these
> >> machines are not perfect.
> >>
> >> Good luck with the B&W.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> <
> http://www.paulroark.com/>
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:
>
> ... Perhaps you'd save money ...

That's what Carbon-6 is for.  If you're just avoiding dilute inks due to cost, mixing your own is the way to hold the cost down to barely more than the BO printing.

> but the 5 dilute inks can only help ...

I find with the 1400 I like the more neutral tone of the black only.  To get me the best of both (or a very good compromise) I find I use QTR, using both the black only and dilute profiles in a 50-50 blend.  That's one of the nice aspect of QTR.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

The Epson 1400 printer with Eboni-6 is such a good platform that I've re-installed Eb6 in my 1400 and will post a number of profiles for both the Epson driver and QTR.  The profiles for the 1400 will be posted at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Eb6-Profiles.zip.  I will also update the PDF on Eboni-6 -- http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf -- so that it focuses more on the 1400.

One of the profiles currently in the Zip file is a QTR profile for the relatively new Epson Hot Press Natural (no brighteners) matte paper. It has a maximum Lab B rise from the paper white of only 1.5 Lab B units.  One Lab unit difference is barely perceptible.  While the un-brightened paper will look "creamy" next to a brightened one, if the mat board is natural paper, the overall image will look quite neutral.  This Epson HP paper is now my top recommendation for the neutral end of the tonal range Eboni-6 can reach.

Note that at 60 Mlux-Hrs of exposure in the Aardenburg Imaging fade testing -- http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ -- the 1800 Eboni test is doing very well indeed.  Comparing only the central test patches (41 through 60), the delta-e of the 60 Mlux-Hr Epson ABW mode print is 5.2 times that of the Eboni print.  

I focus on the central tones because that is where the colors and fading will be seen, and my point is to emphasize the advantages of 100% carbon pigment printing.  In the highlights the paper is a major contributor to the results.  The paper delta-e is higher (not as good as) the carbon image delta-e, but better than the ABW delta-e.    Additionally, the deep shadows are excluded because they tend to be influenced by the Epson carbon MK, which is as good as Eboni (but warmer).  Additionally, one does not see much color in the shadows.  Again, my point here is to emphasize that 100% carbon is the way to get a stable print.  Along these lines, I note that the Piezo Carbon sepia is, in the midtones, as stable as the Eboni.  Again, it's the carbon.  (With the Piezo inks the Museum K didn't seem to do quite as well for some reason.)

Note that Eboni-6 has not been tested by Aardenburg Imaging.  Some think more dilute inks do not test as well as concentrated ones.  That was true with dyes, but may be much less of a factor with carbon pigments.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/CarbSepia-Density-v-Delta-e.jpg for the delta-e distribution of Peizo Carbon Sepia, which is a dilute carbon inkset.  (The data is from the Aardenburg Imaging fade test of the inkset.)  Factoring out the effects of the paper white from the carbon is not easily done.  It may be mostly the paper that is causing the slight rise in delta-e in the highlights.  In any case, the very dilute nature of the carbon inks in the highlights does not seem to alter the picture very significantly.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Please post back to let us know when you've made the updates.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> The Epson 1400 printer with Eboni-6 is such a good platform that I've re-installed Eb6 in my 1400 and will post a number of profiles for both the Epson driver and QTR.  The profiles for the 1400 will be posted at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Eb6-Profiles.zip.  I will also update the PDF on Eboni-6 -- http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf -- so that it focuses more on the 1400.
>

Excellent Paul! Thanks!  I just got a new iMac and one reason was I was
having driver issues with the Epson 1400 on my PC.  It worked great at first
but then all of a sudden started taking 5 minutes per command within the
driver and to print.  Nothing I can figure out!  Anyway, time for a computer
upgrade anyway and this iMac with 8GB RAM and a real fast graphics card has
been at lightning speed with my meduim format scans and my Nikon 9000
scanner.  Now, to hopefully use your new 1400-Eboni-6 profiles!

Thanks again!  I'll share my successes and results.

-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
>
> The Epson 1400 printer with Eboni-6 is such a good platform that I've
> re-installed Eb6 in my 1400 and will post a number of profiles for both the
> Epson driver and QTR. The profiles for the 1400 will be posted at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Eb6-Profiles.zip. I will also update
> the PDF on Eboni-6 -- http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf -- so
> that it focuses more on the 1400.
>
> One of the profiles currently in the Zip file is a QTR profile for the
> relatively new Epson Hot Press Natural (no brighteners) matte paper. It has
> a maximum Lab B rise from the paper white of only 1.5 Lab B units. One Lab
> unit difference is barely perceptible. While the un-brightened paper will
> look "creamy" next to a brightened one, if the mat board is natural paper,
> the overall image will look quite neutral. This Epson HP paper is now my top
> recommendation for the neutral end of the tonal range Eboni-6 can reach.
>
> Note that at 60 Mlux-Hrs of exposure in the Aardenburg Imaging fade testing
> -- http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ -- the 1800 Eboni test is doing very
> well indeed. Comparing only the central test patches (41 through 60), the
> delta-e of the 60 Mlux-Hr Epson ABW mode print is 5.2 times that of the
> Eboni print.
>
> I focus on the central tones because that is where the colors and fading
> will be seen, and my point is to emphasize the advantages of 100% carbon
> pigment printing. In the highlights the paper is a major contributor to the
> results. The paper delta-e is higher (not as good as) the carbon image
> delta-e, but better than the ABW delta-e. Additionally, the deep shadows are
> excluded because they tend to be influenced by the Epson carbon MK, which is
> as good as Eboni (but warmer). Additionally, one does not see much color in
> the shadows. Again, my point here is to emphasize that 100% carbon is the
> way to get a stable print. Along these lines, I note that the Piezo Carbon
> sepia is, in the midtones, as stable as the Eboni. Again, it's the carbon.
> (With the Piezo inks the Museum K didn't seem to do quite as well for some
> reason.)
>
> Note that Eboni-6 has not been tested by Aardenburg Imaging. Some think
> more dilute inks do not test as well as concentrated ones. That was true
> with dyes, but may be much less of a factor with carbon pigments. See
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/CarbSepia-Density-v-Delta-e.jpg for the
> delta-e distribution of Peizo Carbon Sepia, which is a dilute carbon inkset.
> (The data is from the Aardenburg Imaging fade test of the inkset.) Factoring
> out the effects of the paper white from the carbon is not easily done. It
> may be mostly the paper that is causing the slight rise in delta-e in the
> highlights. In any case, the very dilute nature of the carbon inks in the
> highlights does not seem to alter the picture very significantly.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>
> 
>


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Hi Paul:  I am currently using the UT14 in the Epson 1400, which I like 
a lot. What is the difference between the EB6 and UT14? Thanks. Paula


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter843" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
> Please post back to let us know when you've made the updates.

The first cut of a revised Eboni-6.pdf is now posted at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

The PDF links to a zip file with only 1400 profiles in it (the older one with more printers covered is still there also).

I'll be adding profiles as time permits.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:
>
> ... Now, to hopefully use your new 1400-Eboni-6 profiles!
> 

Richard, I'm most curious about whether your Mac has the same Epson profile built in with Color Controls and Gamma 2.2.  With Windows this gives the best -- closest to the Gray Gamma 2.2 workspace -- default image.  As such, it is a good starting place even when an ICC is used.  However, some years ago it appeared that Mac and PC drivers used different approaches/profile when "Color Controls" (as opposed to No Color Adjustment) was selected in the Epson driver.  So, there is a bit of an open question whether the ICCs I've made with "Color Controls" will work well with Macs.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paula Berg <Berg@...> wrote:
>
> I am currently using the UT14 in the Epson 1400, which I like 
> a lot. What is the difference between the EB6 and UT14? 

Eboni-6 is a 100% carbon, matte paper only monotone inkset.  UT14 is a variable-tone, gloss and matte compatible inkset that does have color inks in it.

The 100% carbon will be much more stable in the long run, but if you're not selling into a fine art market, it may never make any difference.  Monotone inksets are the easiest to control and profile.  Matte papers don't have all the artifacts of glossy papers.  Inksets for matte papers only have little binder in them, and it's the binders that seem to be a huge factor in clogging.

It's really a question of individual preferences.  I like the 100% carbon approach and don't like glossy papers.  But, I understand most are probably going to like to use those, so I made the UT14 inkset to keep some competition in the market.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com