Digital BW, The Print

Eric, 
You've said another part of what's missing.. This actually , to me anyway, is a good thread as it is about one of the harder areas we have to deal with as printers.. It's funny but most seem to be on a race for the largest gamut and color but the subtitles in this areas of conversation in my opinion bring more value to a print. 
I don't know how many of you do architectural photography or painting...duh..  Interior walls are just filled, typically, with subtle personality ...reflections ...shadows... etc.. 
All our scanners here are set up not to make white 255.. as that is no information.. It's all pulled back a bit so I have some room. The thing that screws me up the most is changing materials to print on.. 
Which leads me too.. I think most of us get comfortable with one or two papers that seem to work the best all around for us.. This is a B&W group so that is quite a bit more wide open then for a color print I think.. So what are you guys or gals favorite fine art materials for B&W  and Color..

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: E.Neilsen 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Printing Pictures of Snow


    
  There are some absolute colors and then there are emotional colors, and
  snow, is the later. But Jimbo points about painting, and white with detail,
  well that's what were talking about as printers; knowing how to set a white
  with texture and context onto paper. My point early on David was that snow
  isn't blue, or warm, or. it can be influenced by the things around it. Is
  the snow cooler than a bear but warmer than the open shade on a cloudy
  bright day with .. to fill the .. that bounces off the . that reflects on
  the.. that . well, looked right. 

  Eric Neilsen
  Eric Neilsen Photography
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  Dallas, TX 75226

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  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C D Tobie
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:13 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Printing Pictures of Snow



  On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:39 AM, mrjimbo wrote:

  > Yup you've got it.. for me sometimes it's hard to explain some things...
  after seeing your post one more thing.. .. well one of your fancy tools
  :-).. could measure the paper ...then using Photoshop create the separation
  necessary for the whites to work with the paper. 

  Yes, in developing the software for our "fancy tools" I found it necessary
  to offer two ramps to white, one that controlled the color as far as it can,
  then loses to the tone of the paper white at the last minute (the solutions
  most people expect, and fine for most things, but which gets ugly when the
  paper tone and the image content aren't harmonious) and one which starts the
  adjustment of the white balance further back in the density ramp, so to
  avoid any jarring last minute changes.

  > Polar bears... yes ...I was privileged to shoot them some years back..
  sort of like shooting ducks in a barrel from the snow coach but fun non the
  less. I've always loved bears..

  I hesitated to even mention polar bears, it being a loaded subject these
  days, but slightly buff colored bears against blue-tinted snow is the
  clearest example of different tints in near whites that I can come up with
  which is in everyone's memory bank. I'm always amused to see images where
  someone wasn't happy with the dingy tint in the bear's fur, and "color
  corrects" them to a nice bluish white to match the snow. They end up looking
  like little old ladies who have used bluing in their hair. Anyone here old
  enough to remember hair bluing? I bet you could soak natural watercolor
  paper in it, and end up with "whitened" paper...

  C. David Tobie
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