AJ, if you take offense at it, well… The truth of the matter is there are some doctors literally giving their work away. They use the same or better equipment that many professionals use to make the images. The same equipment across the board. That directly undermines the livelihood of someone trying to actually sell it. To say it’s a free market economy and if you can’t compete go sit down, is the same BS rational that can be applied to teaching at any level. If you have the toys you win. Control the production process you win. You may not have the best art work, the best ideas or the best value, but you do have the market. The others that don’t have it? It is a sad world when those that have want even more at the expense of those try just to get by. And while the shit may sell, the market suffers, much like it suffers with millions and millions of garbage shots. Which I believe is the whole point of Photo that Don’t suck Web site. Someone trying to elevate some photos above the chaos. As to my dated web site, the look is a choice, I even mention it on the site. Not everything need to be Flash, Ipad, driven technocrap. Does that type of look gather more eyes? Some see past the lack of glitz and enter. Others may get up on the free market driven glitzy view and move on. I see that as even more of buy into the pedantic movement of overly made up models, babies hanging from every structure known to man, ridiculous HDR, etc, etc. The link for feedback may have gotten broken lately when the hosting company changed some setting and since I maintain the site , and several others, it has fallen through the cracks. There are ample places to find an email address. Do you try and host a forum? Try keep all the hackers out and oh, yeah make prints and do the photography. I will gladly put my prints up against your images at any respected gallery or audience sir AJ. Several here have seen the quality. Perhaps you’d like to teach a class on platinum printing? Or silver, or cyanotype or …. Photographic writers have for years pointed out the problem with auto cameras diluting or changing the nature of photography. Not every doctor is simply buying their way in, but the world of photography is geared that way. Some actually do have talent in image making, and great for them. So take even more offense if you must. Rather than go to workshops, I teach them, set them up and generally I am on the side that makes attendees learn and enjoy their visits. Eric Neilsen 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 www.ericneilsenphotography.com SKYPE ejprinter From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:43 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck Eric, I think I'll take offense at your statement that 'retired Doctors' taking images on auto etc. are not up to your standards and are giving it away, while you consider yourself a 'pro' and are charging a fair fee for your wares. And your site is pokey, out of date, has misspellings, and I could go on but maybe I should address this to you personally. Oh â€" can’t do that as your link for feedback does not work. A.J. Berkson Omages Fine Art Omages.com Owned by Alan J Berkson, DDS, Periodontics and Dental Implants [not yet, but close to retired], dedicated amateur, and hardly ever uses AUTO on my Nikon, Leica, or Hasselblad. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "EJ Neilsen" wrote: > > Thanks Jimbo. I am certainly NOT against people getting out and having fun > with photography or even making a living doing it. But between the retired > Doctors using the highest quality equipment which produces exceedingly well > made images on AUTO and giving it away (photos) and college students looking > to take ANY job to payoff student loans. WOW. I may become a West Texas > whore. or a back alley dealer. > > > > > > Eric Neilsen > > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > 214-827-8301 > > > > www.ericneilsenphotography.com > > SKYPE ejprinter > > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of jimbo > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:27 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck > > > > > > Ya know EJ ...I could grow to really like you..... :-) > > jimbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: EJ Neilsen > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:59 PM > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck > > Dave, Do you fully explain how FB works to your members; not just tell them > to read the privacy agreement? Do they know that submitting a photo to > Photos that Don't Suck, that you plan to repost them? > > Why the hell would anyone promote the creation of orphaned images. I am > sorry you older guys, here at 53, but the fact that your 80 and you don't > care what happens to the profession that you made your living at pisses me > off. I got mine now go figure out how to get yours? Now that is a bit tongue > in cheek but just a little. > > Now granted, Facebook is not Professional photography, it is social media > but it does use professional and non professional photography alike. Too > full of one self, ? sure there are many photos that were licensed at a value > which I'd consider full of it. > > $10 can buy you a web hosting package and another $50 to $100 for a domain; > Photos that don't suck. Once you have a hosted site, there are only the > regular avenue of theft on the internet, as if that's not already bad > enough. I tell clients NOT to post valuable work on any social media, let > alone FB. I regularly see attribution for writers on FB post. I almost NEVER > see a credit to a photographer. People just expect to be able to use one > however they see fit. > > So , sharing good photos - grand idea. Doing it on the net? You get what you > pay for. > > Eric Neilsen > > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > 214-827-8301 > > www.ericneilsenphotography.com > > SKYPE ejprinter > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > ] On Behalf Of David > Lykes Keenan > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:50 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck > > For those of you who use Facebook, I started a group there entitled > Photography That Doesn't Suck. > > In this group, I take a crack at curating photographs that I think don't > suck and posting one or two of these a day. This group was born because so > much photography I see online DOES suck. > > The group is still quite new and there are little over 100 members. > > If you Facebook and would like to be a part of the group go to this URL > http://on.fb.me/Yjqq1D and ask to join. Hope to see you there.. > . > Dave. > > -- > See my 2013 Picture A Week (PAW) Gallery > http://www.dlkphotography.com/paw>originally begun in 2007. > Please join my photography mailing > listhttp://dlkphotography.us2.list-manage2.com/subscribe?u=3d9dfbb5b18c48175 > 32a37b90 > http://dlkphotography.us2.list-manage2.com/subscribe?u=3d9dfbb5b18c4817532a > 37b90&id=4dd441d8fe> &id=4dd441d8fe> > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Photography That Doesn't Suck
2013-02-20 by EJ Neilsen