Very interesting and good to know Mark. Ilford also makes a warm tone paper and I suspect that it doesn't contain an OBA, but I'm not sure if it's available for digital exposure and machine processing. On another note, did you ever hear of a neutral toner which was made by Agfa called Sistan? Supposedly it did the same job as selenium toner in that it stabilized the free silver ions left in the emulsion after processing but it didn't change the color of the print. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:45 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Silver Gelatin Print light fastness results --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Castronovo" <jc@...> wrote: > > Which of course begs the question whether or not traditional silver halide > paper exposed with an enlarger and hand tray developed would fare much > better than this new short exposure digital paper which was probably > rapidly > processed in a machine. The OBA content is responsible for these results not the fact that the paper was sensitized for the spectral output of the laser and for high intensity short exposure times. These prints were indeed machined processed to begin with for develop, rinse, and fix, but then given additional tray processing for those that were toned, plus extended washing by tray or "archival" wash unit for all samples. As long as a B&W silver halide paper contains OBAs (and many have for over five decades now), the delicate initial hue and chroma of the image depends on a hybrid system where the image bearing particles may be exceptionally stable but the OBA dyes contributing to the color of the white paper, image highlights, and even mid tones are much more fugitive. The surprise for me personally was that the swellable polymer coating (i.e, the photographic gelatin) did not appreciably seem to protect the OBAs from fading in either of these paper types any more than we see for many microporous inkjet media. This should be the "take home" message for any collectors, curators, conservators,etc. who want to preserve the artist's original work in pristine condition for as long as possible. If the paper has moderate or high OBA content, one needs to regard the print as not very lightfast even when the image forming materials themselves are highly fade resistant, e.g. pure carbon pigment, sepia toned silver particles, etc. cheers, Mark http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com ------------------------------------ Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \u201cGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\u201d in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \u201cOWNER\u201d AND \u201cMODERATORS\u201d OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \u201cOWNER\u201d AND \u201cMODERATORS\u201d OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6267 - Release Date: 04/23/13
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Re: [Digital BW] Digital Silver Gelatin Print light fastness results
2013-04-23 by John Castronovo
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