Digital BW, The Print

Robert,

Would you care to share your workflow and ink mixtures?

Thanks,
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wolfson" <richard@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <rmorrison@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Optical Brighteners in Inkjet Papers


> Robert, thanks for this informative post. I'm trying to select a paper
> for an edition of b&w fine art prints, it's on point for me right now.
>
> I'm using a CMYK workflow and my own custom ink set built from
> Generations pigment inks. I use their enhanced black in the black
> position, and dilutions of their standard (no dye) black in other
> positions, tinted with MY or CM pigments for warm or cold grays. With my
> ink set, I get Dmax = 1.75 with Wm. Turner or Hahn. Photo Rag. I haven't
> tried Eclipse but maybe I should.
>
> However, I get Dmax > 2.5 with RC lustre papers (Lyson Professional
> Photo Satin or Generations ProPhoto Lustre, which seem the same to me).
> The ink takes a day to dry fully -- but I get shadow detail I've been
> unable to match with any matte sheet. The stuff feels like plastic, and
> the surface is fragile, but once it's matted and framed behind glass
> this might not be an issue.
>
> Still, I prefer the feel of an inkjet-coated fine art paper, so I'd love
> to find a way to use one of those and still get the knock-your-socks-off
> tonal range I'm getting with RC lustre. Two questions:
>
> 1. I love Museo (especially the 24 x 36 heavy cut sheets) but find large
> areas of smooth mid-gray (say, sky) can show tonal variations that seem
> related to paper texture. Have you seen this? If so, do you know a cure?
>
> 2. I've avoided coating so far, but after reading your post, maybe I
> need to try it. What is your coating? If you've already posted this
> info, could you tell me where to find it, or email me off-list?
>
> thanks,
> Richard Wolfson
> richard at rwolfson.com
>
> > From: Robert G. Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
> >
> > The 100% rag papers that have no brigheners are Museo,
> > Eclipse Satine Soft White and William Turner.  They are all
> > heavier than EAM, although the Eclipse and Museo are much
> > heavier.  None of these papers are as white as EAM...in fact
> > to my eye they are all about the same.
> >
> > What the best paper is depends on what you are printing with.
> >  I don't like the surface of William Turner--though it gives
> > the best blacks with PiezoBW or MIS inks with the piezo
> > driver.  Personally, I use Museo with PiezoBW inks and Piezo
> > Driver.  While this ink and paper combination only has a 1.55
> > dmax, it is over 2.0 when coated with my coating.  The coated
> > Museo prints look much better than the coated William Turner.
> >  I'm planning to start using MIS inks with Imageprint
> > soon...so I will probably start to experiment with Eclipse in
> > that work flow.
> >
> > For color work I'm using MIS Perpetual inks and once again I
> > use either Museo or Eclipse.  The Eclipse has both a smooth
> > and more textured side...coated on both sides...so that is a
> > nice option.  Both of these papers give better results with
> > the MIS Perpetual and Indelible inks than the Hahnemuhle
> > papers (e.g., William Turner).  A quad black made with the
> > MIS Double Density Black ink would be fantastic on either
> > Museo or Eclipse...I prefer the look of this black on these
> > papers to anything I've ever seen on Hahnemuhle.
> >
>
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