Digital BW, The Print

On 4/11/02 3:02 PM, "Michael Kravit" <michael.kravit@...>
wrote:


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Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066
> No to be argumentative, but why even post your results if you are not
> willing to tell people how to get the results that you state. This is a list
> for folks to advance the state of the art and discuss their results. By not
> sharing, but taking are you not in fact looking to benefit financially from
> what you have learned?

This was a major discussion last summer on the Piezo list...and I'd rather
not revisit that.  If you look at my last post...below...I just gave you a
wealth of valuable information about application...some of which had never
appeared on any of these lists before!  In fact the meyer rod is the key to
making a lot of coatings work.

I can't tell you what I'm using chemically...because I'm trying to get
someone make a product that will work better than anything that you can buy
now.  They have to work from what I'm doing.  If I give the formula
away...they won't do it.  I may not be successful...but I have to try for
everyone's benefit.

> Paul Roark is a prime example. He spends hundreds of hours to help advance
> the state of the art, and get nothing in return except for his satisfaction
> of helping people.

Paul, is a great guy...I think it is wonderful that he does what he
does...we have all benefited.  Unfortunately, I can't afford to do this.  I
have thousands of dollars out on this product...not to mention the hundreds
of hours of time printing and coating.  There is a good chance that I will
never see any of that back...but if at all possible I want people to be able
to buy a product that works.
 
> If I am wrong, I stand corrected. If not, I find it difficult to have you
> talking about your results that you can not tell us about. Here we share
> papers, inks and experience. In one sense I feel that you are telling us
> about how great your dmax is, you are testing papers we are sending you, and
> you will be profiting.
> 
Martin has gotten dmax's very similar to the ones that I've posted with
formula that are in the file section.  Try using some of his formula with my
methods and I think you will get some interesting results.  Ultimately, what
I am trying to do is to make the process easier for people...but that will
take some time.  I have no doubt that something like this is the future of
inkjet printing...the gains are just too big not to take advantage of,
particularly for BW printing.

> If I am wrong, let me know. No ill will here, just a bit of a concern

No ill will received, I realize that my mode of operation is not necessarily
easy for people to understand...but you just have to believe me that it is
for all of our best interests.

Robert


> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited
> 
> 
>> Unfortunately, I can't say what I'm using at this point...but I'm not
> using
>> polyurethanes!  The key to not getting brush strokes is not to use a
> brush!
>> I use either a #15 meyer rod...for a perfect finish or a foam roller for a
>> quicker coat.  The roller has the problem of foam...I believe that all the
>> things that Martin has tried foam pretty badly.  You might try some
> antifoam
>> (hint, hint).  It is possible to get beautiful coated prints....but it
>> really took some doing.  That's why I tried to develop a commercial
> product.
>> I should know very shortly if that is going to go ahead.  If it doesn't
> I'll
>> release what I'm doing to the list.  I'd love to see a fully formulated
>> product available for folks to buy.  If it doesn't work out with the
> people
>> that I'm talking to now...I have a back up plan...but I should be able to
>> release the current information soon.
>> 
>> Sorry to be so mysterious...I just have a lot of time and money into
>> this...and I need to follow my lawyer's directions at the moment.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/11/02 2:31 PM, "Michael Kravit" <michael.kravit@...>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> 
>>> Which coating are you using? Golden?
>>> 
>>> Also, do you get brush strokes?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Just coated some BW prints on Museo and Eclipse last night.  I ran gray
>>>> wedges and black patches just to see where the dmax is at these days.
> I
>>>> printed with John Woolf's work flow and Piezo inks.  This yields an
>>> uncoated
>>>> dmax of 1.57 with both Museo and Eclipse.  When the papers are coated
> the
>>>> dmax goes to 2.05 for Eclipse and 2.10 for Museo.  The Museo prints
> have a
>>>> high gloss, while the Eclipse prints just have a satin sheen.
>>>> 
>>>> In my experience, this dmax is equal to or exceeds pigment prints on
> gloss
>>>> papers, even when sprayed with Krylon.
>>>> 
>>>> For those of you have been experimenting with coatings (Martin)...you
> owe
>>> it
>>>> to yourself to print on Eclipse and coat.  If you thought the prints
> that
>>>> you have seen in the past look "plastic"...I think you will really like
>>>> this.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Robert Morrison
>> rmorrison@...
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>> 310-397-2704
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>> 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
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