Digital BW, The Print

Dead even on Eclipse and Museo, and the MIS is all pigment...the Gen 4 is
25% dye.  Gen4 is better on Hahnemuhle and EAM than Double density.

Robert

On 4/11/02 4:26 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Generations black is blacker than the double density black.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Robert Morrison wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Museo and Eclipse blow away Hahnemuhle with both MIS color inks and
>> the Indelibles.  Blacks are .1 to .15 dmax better with the MIS double
>> density black.
>> 
>>> but all of the shops I know that do are
>>> using Torchon in 35-3/4 x 47-3/4" sheets or H. Canvas
>> 
>> Its the German mystique!
>> 
>> I can't believe anyone uses Torchon for anything...that is the weirdest
>> surface I've ever seen!  I haven't seen the canvas...but I know Brightcube's
>> canvas is fantastic with these inks and is a lot cheaper.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> RobertOn 4/11/02 2:16 PM, "Michael Kravit" <michael.kravit@...>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Inferior color prints?
>>> 
>>> Hmm, I don't do much fine art color, but all of the shops I know that do are
>>> using Torchon in 35-3/4 x 47-3/4" sheets or H. Canvas.
>>> 
>>> I also like BrightCube.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemule William Turner
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I've used most of them...wells river, orwell, torchon, photorag...and
>>>> honestly...they give nice BW prints (inferior color prints, however) but
>>> in
>>>> my opinion not that much better than the competition.  They also have
>>>> problems...like flaking...OB's...and poor coating properties.  So I've
>>>> decided to go another way where I can deal with suppliers (Crane &
>>>> Brightcube) who are very forthright about their papers.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/10/02 6:36 PM, "Michael Kravit" <michael.kravit@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You will never know what you are missing. ;-)
>>>>> And, it will leave more for the rest of us......
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Robert G. Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
>>>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemule William Turner
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My daily rant...this is why I won't use Hahnemuhle papers...you never
>>> are
>>>>>> sure what you are getting!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>> 
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