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Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited

2002-04-12 by Len

Toward the end of my wet darkroom phase, I began applying wax to my prints.  It gave them a sheen (or shine), but also appeared to darken blacks and midtones.  It was a product made for this purpose.  I was then using mostly Ilford Galerie, which was neither glossy nor matte.  I haven't tried it yet on a digital print, but I plan to soon.  If it works, it'd have the advantage of being less messy than spray-on finishes.

Len
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin Wesley 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited


  Julian,

  I think that would be much worse than using a brush. You are likely to wind
  up with droplets of varying sizes which will result in a pebbled look to the
  finish. I know some people did some attempts using pressurized spray guns
  but I don't recall what the results were.

  Martin

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited


  > Martin, is it possible to use a spray bottle of some kind?
  >
  > Julian
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
  > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:22 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited
  >
  >
  > > Robert,
  > >
  > > I did try coating some Eclipse last summer and the results we good but
  my
  > > brush work was lacking. I found it harder to work with in the area of
  > > streaking, etc. I realize that the paper may have changed since then.
  > >
  > > I am not surprised that you got a better Dmax using the Epson driver. I
  > > noticed long ago it gave deeper blacks than the Piezo driver even with
  the
  > > Piezo inks.
  > >
  > > Martin
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
  > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:38 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited
  > >
  > >
  > > > Just coated some BW prints on Museo and Eclipse last night.  I ran
  gray
  > > > wedges and black patches just to see where the dmax is at these days.
  I
  > > > printed with John Woolf's work flow and Piezo inks.  This yields an
  > > uncoated
  > > > dmax of 1.57 with both Museo and Eclipse.  When the papers are coated
  > the
  > > > dmax goes to 2.05 for Eclipse and 2.10 for Museo.  The Museo prints
  have
  > a
  > > > high gloss, while the Eclipse prints just have a satin sheen.
  > > >
  > > > In my experience, this dmax is equal to or exceeds pigment prints on
  > gloss
  > > > papers, even when sprayed with Krylon.
  > > >
  > > > For those of you have been experimenting with coatings (Martin)...you
  > owe
  > > it
  > > > to yourself to print on Eclipse and coat.  If you thought the prints
  > that
  > > > you have seen in the past look "plastic"...I think you will really
  like
  > > > this.
  > > >
  > > > Robert
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > On 4/10/02 1:51 PM, "Richard Wolfson" <richard@...> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > hi Robert -
  > > > >
  > > > > oh, ok. I understand now. I saw the September part, but figured I'd
  > just
  > > > > missed some prior postings on method. I didn't get that it's
  > > > > proprietary. That's cool.
  > > > >
  > > > > If you're maintaining an email list for a product announcement, I'd
  be
  > > > > pleased if you'd add mine. Good luck, and thanks for getting back to
  > me.
  > > > >
  > > > > Richard
  > > > >
  > > > > Richard Wolfson
  > > > > fine art photographer and printmaker
  > > > > (978) 456-3033
  > > > > www.rwolfson.com
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >> -----Original Message-----
  > > > >> From: Robert G. Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
  > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:43 PM
  > > > >> To: Richard Wolfson
  > > > >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited
  > > > >>
  > > > >>
  > > > >> As I said below...
  > > > >>
  > > > >>>> Currently, I'm hoping to have a commercial product out by next
  > > > >>>> September...but no promises.
  > > > >>
  > > > >> Until that time I can't say anything about my process or
  > > > >> materials...I'm under a non-disclosure agreement.  All I can
  > > > >> tell you is what to expect in performance...also below.  If
  > > > >> you would like to see a coated print...I'm sending them out
  > > > >> through the Piezo and DigitalBW exchanges over the next
  > > > >> several months.  Robert Rex also has sample prints of Museo
  > > > >> coated. Brightcube will also be traveling with coated Eclipse
  > > > >> prints soon.
  > > > >>
  > > > >> Sorry I can't be more helpful.
  > > > >>
  > > > >> Robert
  > > > >>
  > > >
  > > > ----------------------
  > > > Robert Morrison
  > > > rmorrison@...
  > > >
  > > > 310-397-2704
  > > >
  > > > 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
  > > > Los Angeles, CA 90066
  > > >
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