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[Digital BW] Re: What if grain is "necessary"

2002-05-11 by michaeladawson_ajax

I also use the SilverOxide filters.  Good stuff.  I bought a bunch of 
the 8-bit filters way back.  I only have the Tri-X 16-bit filter.  
Their upgrade pricing is virtually nonexistent.  I couldn't bring 
myself to fork out a couple hundred dollars to buy 16-bit versions of 
the same filters.

One problem I have with the filter is the slider controls.  One is 
supposed to control the shadows and the other controls the 
highlights.  I find that they really aren't independent sliders.  So 
I spend a lot of time setting the sliders, running the filter, 
checking the histogram, undo, back to the filter, readjust sliders, 
etc, etc.

But, I find this to be easier for me than learning how to deal with 
the channel mixer.

Mike


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <TomOC@s...> wrote:
> Daniel-
> 
> I love silver oxide (I use a Nikon D1x)... I upgraded to the 16 bit 
> with the larger image view and I totally love it (though I must 
admit 
> I've fallen into the habit of only using the terrific plus-x 
filter).
> 
> I don't think the Tri-x actually adds any grain, just a little less 
> contrast and "tri-x" look.
> 
> Have you tried any of the other filters? Do you know of any way to 
> see examples of what they would produce???
> 
> Maybe we could post some examples here of files that show off each 
> filter characteristics...or exchange files via email? I'd be 
willing 
> to buy a few more filters (not cheap) but want to know what they 
will 
> do before I get them...I'm just not familiar with any of the other 
> films he offers.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> TomOC@s...
> www.thomasoconnell.com
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Daniel Bowdoin 
> <controlarm@m...> wrote:
> > On Friday, May 10, 2002, at 07:37 AM, marktuckerdotcom wrote:
> > 
> > > It is weird that you'd write this. Just yesterday, as I was
> > > obsessing over this Canon D60 b/w file, thinking it looked too
> > > clean and clinical and something else I couldn't quite put my
> > > finger on, I added Noise (Monochromatic) to the image, and,
> > > WALLAH!, it immediately turned into an romantic image that had
> > > been shot with a 1955 Leica!  . . . So, play around with Noise, 
> and 
> > > compare it to Grain, and then
> > > compare it to Film Grain. Each approach gives a slightly 
different
> > 
> > If you aren't already familiar with them, you might find the 
> Photoshop 
> > b&w filters produced by SilverOxide.com interesting. They are 
> intended 
> > to convert digital photographs or scanned color images into black 
> and 
> > white images with the tonal characteristics of a variety of 
> specific b&w 
> > films. The SilverOxide website--www.silveroxide.com--is a little 
on 
> the 
> > crude side, but it's clear enough about how the filters function. 
I 
> > think that all the illustrations they provide are based on their 
> Tri-X 
> > filter. The filters don't address the grain issue (only the way 
> that , 
> > say, Tri-X, HP5, Delta 400, T400CN, and APX400 respond 
differently 
> to 
> > the same colors), but I thought they might be relevant to a 
> discussion 
> > of the "unfilmlike" look of unadjusted digital b&w images.
> > 
> > Dan Bowdoin

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