Digital BW, The Print

Robert-

I would definitely join that list and would like to register my 
standing "on side" with these previous postings supporting Mike's 
terrific contributions to this forum and help he has freely offered 
to many less experienced in the group.

I hate to add bulk on the list to something that is so out of control 
already, but clearly this is a serious problem (possibly for Mike) 
and for the forum. If discussion, disagreement and dispute cannot be 
contained within the "cyberwall" of the list, there will likely be no 
free exchange of ideas...a loss to us all.

Mike, if I can do anything in the way of support in refuting any 
charges that you have acted improperly in any way on this forum, 
shoot me an email and I will be glad to speak up or write a letter 
expressing my thoughts to help you put this behind you. 

Unfortunately, incidents like this may be the very ocassional price 
we all pay to enjoy the totally open access and wonderful 
connectivity of the internet...difficult for you, Mike, but keep the 
faith and the rest of us will help you soldier through it.

Thanks for all you have contributed to my understanding of digital BW 
printing.

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert G. Morrison" 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> Well said Keith.  Mike, If there is anything we can do to help, 
please let
> us know on or off list.  Perhaps a group based letter to Mr. Cone 
and Mr.
> Dewolfe would be in order...disagreeing with the "Cone bashing"
> characterization of Mike's comments?
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 5/9/02 2:11 PM, "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@p...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Whoever perpetrated this behind-the-back move is, in my book, a 
crass
> > craven coward..
> > 
> > I spent years working in politics and this is a move beneath all 
but the
> > slimiest people I encountered in that field.
> > 
> > This list and other lists are meant to be places where opinions
> > axiomatically differ and ideas are exchanged.  The more opinions 
that
> > are silenced the less information we all have as group members.  
It is
> > through that VERY open exchange of information that we all 
advance the
> > art.  To take disputes offlist is bad enough, but to actually 
make up
> > commentary to undercut someone on this list is utterly 
reprehensible and
> > almost beyond comment..
> > 
> > Whoever this person was... I don't know whom you thought was 
benefiting
> > in your little ego-play (except your own feelings of 
grandiosity), but
> > by silencing a consistent contributor to this list, you have 
harmed
> > every member of it.
> > 
> > Mike, as an aside.. If this harms your business in ANY way, I 
would say
> > you have a VERY strong case for a libel/slander action against 
whomever
> > this loser is.  You could actually file against "John Doe" and 
force
> > those who were contacted to name the individual once the suit is 
filed.
> > In my opinion, this was done with malice and could easily be 
shown to
> > be malicious.
> > 
> > Whoever you are, you crossed a clear ethical line here.  This is 
the
> > kind of crap we all see from 10 year olds, not adults.
> > 
> > I may not agree with every one of Mike's or anyone's posts, but to
> > concoct a hoax to undercut someone... all I can say is the 
perpetrator
> > must feel mighty psychologically inadequate if they need to 
resort to
> > such means instead of confronting disagreements, etc., personally 
and
> > openly.
> > 
> > I hope others will join me in apologizing to Mike for the actions 
of
> > another group member and ask him to consider remaining an active
> > participant.
> > 
> > Keith
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
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