Digital BW, The Print

Greg, I'm curious to understand you - so having made my point, I ask this
for clarification only... Do you consider it ok to raid photonet of it's
photos and use those?
I have two cases of copyright infringement about to go to court in the UK,
one for photos one for academic research (I only discobvered them by chance
on
my last day in the UK this trip in Borders of all places) before starting
proceedings I approached the people involved to be told almost the same
thing 'we are a start up and can't afford to pay etc etc' I just don't
understand the mindset of people who appropriate other folk's content

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "greg_pop" <greg@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: The Photo Binbook


> We don't claim other people's knowledge, we indeed credit
> every post to its author.
>
> We try to create a new resource which we think can be very
> helpful. We work to organise, cross reference and better present
> this information, and this work is clearly our added value
> to the raw posts.
>
> What people post to this group is already in a public archive
> accessible to anyone, so I fail to see how I caused you any
> prejudice or loss.
>
> But we respect your choice and have removed all your posts
> from the Photo Binbook (due to caching, they may still
> appear for a couple days). We are in the process of removing
> all the posts from this group. Hopefully this will make it
> unnecessary to continue this discussion.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Gregory Popovitch
> Binbooks Corporation
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
> <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > Don't you see anything even slightly wrong in claiming and using
> other
> > people's hard-earned knowledge? Would you scan books authored by
> other
> > people and archive those? Don't you accept the principal of
> Intellectual
> > Copyright? Would you like it if I knicked the coding of your
> database? I
> > really don't understand.
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Popovitch" <greg@g...>
> > To: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@e...>
> > Cc: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:51 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] RE: The Photo Binbook
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hello Martin and Antonis,
> > >
> > > I don't believe you are correct when you state that we have
> > > violated Yahoo's "Terms of Service". I also don't believe
> > > that you have the authority to request that we remove posts
> > > from anyone besides yourself.
> > >
> > > However, we have decided that we will indeed remove all posts
> > > from this group while we investigate this further. Of course
> > > the posts of individuals who request so will be permanently
> > > removed.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Gregory Popovitch
> > > Binbooks Corporation
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:17 PM
> > > To: greg@g...; gregory@b...
> > > Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > > Subject: The Photo Binbook
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregory,
> > >
> > > After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners,
> have
> > > reached a position on the matter.
> > >
> > > While our intent is to disseminate information about the many
> techniques
> > of
> > > producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to
> your
> > > approach.
> > >
> > > We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first
> > approached
> > > the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the
> subject
> > > with the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each
> > individual
> > > to reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail
> address.
> > >
> > > We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at
> odds with
> > the
> > > "commercial free" policy of the Group.
> > >
> > > We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated
> Yahoo's
> > "Terms
> > > of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached
> the
> > > privacy of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted.
> (You are
> > > apparently unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted
> to the
> > > Group list that is open to the public but are only sent out with
> e-mailed
> > > copies which is only available to members of the Group.)
> > >
> > > Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User
> Group,
> > "Digital
> > > B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply
> with
> > this
> > > request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will
> also contact
> > > Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and
> your
> > > copyright violations.
> > >
> > > This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask
> Group members
> > > to monitor your site for compliance.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> > > Antonis Ricos
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and
> > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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>
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