Digital BW, The Print

Greg, 

I applaud your desire to share info.  But I think you went about it in the wrong manner.  I did a quick look at your site and was disturbed to see no mention of the origins of the quotes/messages.  In other words, it appears by casual visit that all of those messages and quotes were submitted to your site by the "contributors."  That certainly was not the case.  

I don't know if any of my threads were on your site...but it gave me a weird feeling thinking they might be...and I don't really know where you are going with your site.  

So...while I am one to share all the time...that "weird feeling" is probably just a little bit of what is turning people away from your approach/site.  

Sincerely, 

Steadman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: greg_pop 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: The Photo Binbook



  Well, let's not discuss this forever. We were excited about 
  what we had achieved and we truely were expecting a very 
  favorable response from this group. We thought that the 
  conversations featured in the Photo Binbook really captured the 
  essence of what made this group great. Needless to say the last
  couple of days were very disheartening for us. We really can't
  see why the aggregation of public knowledge and postings 
  would be detrimental to anyone. By that rationale Google groups 
  should be outlawed as well! And if this was meant to be a private 
  society who don't want to share information with the outside, 
  why make the archives public? 

  I personally thought that this group was the greatest place, where 
  knowledgable people were selflessly sharing information for 
  the benefit of all. I still think this is the case for most of 
  the 1495 members, but the response we got from a handfull of people
  is what is we need to deal with.

  I'll continue reading this group, because I enjoy it, but not
  regularly so I may not answer further questions timely. I want 
  to express my sincere gratefulness to those of you who supported
  our project, to those who said nothing and even to those who objected 
  because I want to believe that everyone is sincere. 

  Best regards,

  Gregory Popovitch
  Binbooks Corporation

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
  <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Gregory Popovitch" <greg@g...>
  > To: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@e...>
  > Cc: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
  > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:51 PM
  > Subject: [Digital BW] RE: The Photo Binbook
  > 
  > 
  > >
  > > Hello Martin and Antonis,
  > >
  > > I don't believe you are correct when you state that we have
  > > violated Yahoo's "Terms of Service". I also don't believe
  > > that you have the authority to request that we remove posts
  > > from anyone besides yourself.
  > 
  > Greg,
  > 
  > I didn't know you needed "authority" to make a "request." <G>
  > 
  > Specifically I believe you are in violation of Article 10 of the 
  TOS:
  > 
  > "10. NO RESALE OF SERVICE
  > You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell or 
  exploit for any
  > commercial purposes, any portion of the Service, use of the 
  Service, or
  > access to the Service."
  > Which you agreed to by getting a Yahoo account and joining the 
  Group.
  > >
  > > However, we have decided that we will indeed remove all posts
  > > from this group while we investigate this further. Of course
  > > the posts of individuals who request so will be permanently
  > > removed.
  > 
  > Thank you for your decision to remove the posts from this list.
  > 
  > Martin Wesley
  > 
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
  > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:17 PM
  > > To: greg@g...; gregory@b...
  > > Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
  > > Subject: The Photo Binbook
  > >
  > >
  > > Gregory,
  > >
  > > After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners, 
  have
  > > reached a position on the matter.
  > >
  > > While our intent is to disseminate information about the many 
  techniques
  > of
  > > producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to 
  your
  > > approach.
  > >
  > > We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first
  > approached
  > > the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the 
  subject
  > > with the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each
  > individual
  > > to reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail 
  address.
  > >
  > > We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at 
  odds with
  > the
  > > "commercial free" policy of the Group.
  > >
  > > We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated 
  Yahoo's
  > "Terms
  > > of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached 
  the
  > > privacy of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. 
  (You are
  > > apparently unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted 
  to the
  > > Group list that is open to the public but are only sent out with 
  e-mailed
  > > copies which is only available to members of the Group.)
  > >
  > > Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User 
  Group,
  > "Digital
  > > B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply 
  with
  > this
  > > request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will 
  also contact
  > > Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and 
  your
  > > copyright violations.
  > >
  > > This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask 
  Group members
  > > to monitor your site for compliance.
  > >
  > > Martin Wesley
  > > Antonis Ricos
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
  Polls and
  > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
  > >
  > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
  > >
  > > Please follow these basic guidelines:
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  > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
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  header.
  > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
  > "flames."
  > > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
  > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the 
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  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
  http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
  > >
  > >


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