Digital BW, The Print

Barrett,

Very well put!

The digital B&W print is definitely a work in progress and suffering
birthing pangs from its predecessors. There is no one magic bullet in making
a digital print. There is no one "right" way to make a silver print after
all, so this should not come as a surprise to anyone.

We all have to gather as much information as we can, try this, try that and
find the compromise (it will always be a compromise) that suits us best.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "amateriat" <bwbenton@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Lyson vs. piezo inks


> My "real" b/w inkjet experience began some months back when I
> traded my Epson Photo 1200 for someone else's Epson 1160 to
> get "serious" (more or less, anyway) about printing (while buying
> a refurb Epson Photo 1270 from the Epson Store to take over the
> color work), and the first quadtone ink set I bought was from
> Luminos, which, I was tipped off about by someone later on, was
> simply rebadged (and seriously marked-up) Lyson ink. My
> experience with Lyson Quad Black Neutral has mostly been
> good; except for two clogging episodes (I was perhaps a bit
> overzealous in not using a cleaning cart set after receiving the
> 1160), I've been getting quite good results, mostly on EAM (using
> both Luminos' curves and Lyson's "just print it straight RGB and
> Wing It" instructions - the former seems a bit more refined), and
> okay results on Lumijet Gallery Gloss, save for the fact that I can
> no longer stand the meager weight of most Lumijet paper (EAM
> spoiled me).
>
> I haven't experienced the metamerism issues others have cited
> Lyson's QB Neutral for (which I've seen as a result of setting up
> an Epson 2000P with Epson inks for a client). The only (relatively
> minor) issues surround scanning - I shoot mostly Ilford XP2
> Super in 35mm, and scan with a Minolta QuickScan 35 Plus film
> scanner via VueScan; Sometimes I get dazzling results in my
> prints (up to 11x17" as of now...working on 13x19"), and
> sometimes I miss my personal "mark".  As I may have
> mentioned before here, by b/w aesthetics are fairly
> straightforward: absolutely no "textured" paper, and tones as
> reasonably close to "neutral" as possible - my b/w sensibility is
> for the present, not some fanciful concept of the past, and my
> foray into digital printing is much less about "escaping" the
> traditional darkroom as it is surmounting the relative diffiuclty - in
> my case, anyway - of setting one up at this time. I happen to like
> the conventional darkroom, and try to work in one whenever I
> can, but I decided a while back that the lack of my own facilities
> wouldn't stop me from producing quality prints.
>
> I think that what has been carved out by most everyone
> participating on this list is something vibrantly in-progress;
> nothing is truly nailed down yet, but then again that fact adds
> vibrancy to our endeavors. I'm simply trying to work on what
> makes sense to me in terms of presenting my work to others for
> their approval or rejection; Discovering this group has helped a
> good deal in sussing out certain things for me, yet reinforced the
> fact that there is more than one way to get to a desired result  via
> this relatively new medium. I think I've found a formula that works
> *for me*, but it's great to listen - and occasionally debate - with
> others who find something else.
>
>  - Barrett
>
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