Digital BW, The Print

tomoc wrote:

> I use both piezo driver with MIS and the new piezo tones and in
> another printer the Lyson Small Gamut inks.

Tom or anyone else who has done a fair amount of printing printing with
LSG inks;

Have you done any window or fade tests with these prints. How about dark
storage tests? I am thinking of giving these inks a try because I have a
desire to make B&W RC type inkjet prints with a warm tone. I don't care
if they last 30+ years.. but just don't want them to fade or go funky in
6 months!

Also.. how good of a gray scale are you able to get? I'm hoping to make
prints that have a very consistent tone across the scale from highlights
to shadows without a color shift.

Have you tried making a good sepia print with these inks?

Going from epson OEM.. do you think I need to run flush carts?

Thanks for you comments in advance!

-Jeff

Jeff-

You absolutely must flush going from OEM or MIS to Lyson (and back).

I haven't done any testing, but so far, so good.

Step patterns seem very consistent...I like prints best on Epson 
Premium Glossy Photo, printed dead neutral.

Sepia is quite easy, too, but I rarely do sepia gloss and I generally 
only use Lyson for gloss prints. Be sure to go to the Lyson site for 
a lot of good info and to the InkJetArt.com site (they will give you 
advice by phone as well, if you need it).

BTW, the ink is now available from them in bulk.

Happy printing,

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jeff Magidson <jeffm@g...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> tomoc wrote:
> 
> > I use both piezo driver with MIS and the new piezo tones and in
> > another printer the Lyson Small Gamut inks.
> 
> Tom or anyone else who has done a fair amount of printing printing 
with
> LSG inks;
> 
> Have you done any window or fade tests with these prints. How about 
dark
> storage tests? I am thinking of giving these inks a try because I 
have a
> desire to make B&W RC type inkjet prints with a warm tone. I don't 
care
> if they last 30+ years.. but just don't want them to fade or go 
funky in
> 6 months!
> 
> Also.. how good of a gray scale are you able to get? I'm hoping to 
make
> prints that have a very consistent tone across the scale from 
highlights

> to shadows without a color shift.
> 
> Have you tried making a good sepia print with these inks?
> 
> Going from epson OEM.. do you think I need to run flush carts?
> 
> Thanks for you comments in advance!
> 
> -Jeff

Barrett,

Very well put!

The digital B&W print is definitely a work in progress and suffering
birthing pangs from its predecessors. There is no one magic bullet in making
a digital print. There is no one "right" way to make a silver print after
all, so this should not come as a surprise to anyone.

We all have to gather as much information as we can, try this, try that and
find the compromise (it will always be a compromise) that suits us best.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "amateriat" <bwbenton@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Lyson vs. piezo inks


> My "real" b/w inkjet experience began some months back when I
> traded my Epson Photo 1200 for someone else's Epson 1160 to
> get "serious" (more or less, anyway) about printing (while buying
> a refurb Epson Photo 1270 from the Epson Store to take over the
> color work), and the first quadtone ink set I bought was from
> Luminos, which, I was tipped off about by someone later on, was
> simply rebadged (and seriously marked-up) Lyson ink. My
> experience with Lyson Quad Black Neutral has mostly been
> good; except for two clogging episodes (I was perhaps a bit
> overzealous in not using a cleaning cart set after receiving the
> 1160), I've been getting quite good results, mostly on EAM (using
> both Luminos' curves and Lyson's "just print it straight RGB and
> Wing It" instructions - the former seems a bit more refined), and
> okay results on Lumijet Gallery Gloss, save for the fact that I can
> no longer stand the meager weight of most Lumijet paper (EAM
> spoiled me).
>
> I haven't experienced the metamerism issues others have cited
> Lyson's QB Neutral for (which I've seen as a result of setting up
> an Epson 2000P with Epson inks for a client). The only (relatively
> minor) issues surround scanning - I shoot mostly Ilford XP2
> Super in 35mm, and scan with a Minolta QuickScan 35 Plus film
> scanner via VueScan; Sometimes I get dazzling results in my
> prints (up to 11x17" as of now...working on 13x19"), and
> sometimes I miss my personal "mark".  As I may have
> mentioned before here, by b/w aesthetics are fairly
> straightforward: absolutely no "textured" paper, and tones as
> reasonably close to "neutral" as possible - my b/w sensibility is
> for the present, not some fanciful concept of the past, and my
> foray into digital printing is much less about "escaping" the
> traditional darkroom as it is surmounting the relative diffiuclty - in
> my case, anyway - of setting one up at this time. I happen to like
> the conventional darkroom, and try to work in one whenever I
> can, but I decided a while back that the lack of my own facilities
> wouldn't stop me from producing quality prints.
>
> I think that what has been carved out by most everyone
> participating on this list is something vibrantly in-progress;
> nothing is truly nailed down yet, but then again that fact adds
> vibrancy to our endeavors. I'm simply trying to work on what
> makes sense to me in terms of presenting my work to others for
> their approval or rejection; Discovering this group has helped a
> good deal in sussing out certain things for me, yet reinforced the
> fact that there is more than one way to get to a desired result  via
> this relatively new medium. I think I've found a formula that works
> *for me*, but it's great to listen - and occasionally debate - with
> others who find something else.
>
>  - Barrett
>
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