Digital BW, The Print

On 7/13/02 8:24 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Nope, I absolutely hate  the rc look. Tacky Tacky Tacky!!! Cheap!
> Commercial! Ugh!
> 
> (In my humble opinion, of course.).
> 
> Brightcube says Eclipse satine is good with dyes or pigments.

"good"...now there's an interesting word.  Is that like 3 Wilhelm years or
30 or 300...or isn't there any difference...or does it depend on the gamut
of the ink set?  I know the folks at Brightcube and they definitely don't
see dye inks on their paper as any type of archival option...now the inks do
look nice...as they do on Museo.  Great for birthday cards or a temporary
commercial portfolio.

Robert


> Martin Wesley wrote:
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson dye
>> inks?
>> 
>>> Martin, which epson papers would be good for the 1280 dye inks (26 year
>>> life)? Heavyweight matte isn't nearly heavy enough, and it is too ivory
>>> colored to be useful.
>>> 
>> Jerry,
>> 
>> I really don't know on that one. I would probably stick to Epson's
>> recommendations since it is their ink. I have been using Epson's ColorLife
>> paper for the family snapshots but I don't know if you would like the RC
>> pearl type finish. Maybe someone on the Archical Color group has some
>> suggestions.
>> 
>> Martin Wesley
>> 
>> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Martin Wesley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mitch,
>>>> 
>>>> For the dye inks I would stick to the Epson papers. It has long been
>>>> understood that the chemicals used to buffer archival papers and mat
>> board
>>>> would damage color dye materials such as dye transfer prints or textiles
>>>> dyed with vegetable dyes.
>>>> 
>>>> The Hahnemuhle papers appear to be fully buffered to a pH of 8.0+ and
>> this
>>>> buffering, while extremely good for the life of the paper, may be
>> harmful to
>>>> the life of the color dye image.
>>>> 
>>>> While the carbon pigment inks in theory are immune to the effects of the
>>>> buffering agents, I wonder if that is the reason prints on H. papers
>> warm
>>>> more than on EAM.
>>>> 
>>>> There is also the nature and pH of the coatings used on inkjet papers
>> and
>>>> how they interact with the inks. All of this is proprietary information
>> and
>>>> we really don't know what will happen over the long haul.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin Wesley
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mitch Alland" <malland@...>
>>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:32 PM
>>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson dye
>> inks?
>>>> 
>>>>> [Although this question concerns color inks, I am posting it here as I
>> had
>>>> no response on the Epson printer color forum.]
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the Sep 28, 2001 "newsletter" on www.inkjetart.com there was a
>> report
>>>> based on Epson information that the life of Epson 1280 (dye) inks on
>> Epson
>>>> Heavyweight Matte was much longer (25 years) than on Epson Archival
>> Matte
>>>> (10 years), as the latter works better with pigment inks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone know what is the situation with Epson 1280 dye inks with
>>>> Hahnemuehle Photo Rag: is the lonegevity shorter than with Epson
>> Heavyweight
>>>> Matte, along the lines of  Epson Archival Matte?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Mitch/Bangkok
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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