I think we're talking about marketing decisions - both with the exclusion of the cd printer and with the gray balancer. Are more people in Europe printing CDs than here? My guess is that people who would pay $100 for a custom profile are going to do so, gray balancer or not. The majority of folks who will pay $600 for a printer (and most of us have spent much more than that when you factor in a CIS, inks, paper, etc. (as opposed to <$100) are very critical about their prints. Most of us on this list fall into that group. I'm not suggesting that I would be happier with the profile generated with the gray balancer than one done with my Spectroscan or EyeOne. I'm very lucky to have all of this exceptional equipment for my students' use. Most people on this list don't have that luxury. But I would certainly love to have an opportunity to work with the gray balancer and judge it for myself. Knowing Andrew, I would be VERY surprised if the motivation for his suggestion to Epson was based on a perceived income reduction. Morally and ethically he is way beyond that. Stan Shire Associate Professor/Department Chair Photographic Imaging Community College of Philadelphia Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E. 215 751-8320 <mailto:sshire@...> sshire@... -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd O'Daniel [mailto:lodaniel@...] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] News on Epson 2200 Gray Balancer SW With all due respect Professor, I think it's your logic that is inverted. Epson's reasons for not including the CD printing on the 2200 are irrelevant to the issue of not including the gray balancer. Having those in the business of making custom profiles judge software that might reduce the need for those profiles, at least for a substantial subset of users, is a conflict of interest. If Ford decided not to market a fuel-cell powered vehicle after feedback from Exxon, Chevron, and Amoco, I'd be suspicious....wouldn't you? Lloyd -----Original Message----- From: Shire,Stanley [mailto:sshire@...] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:52 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] News on Epson 2200 Gray Balancer SW Andrew was only one member of the group. Jeff Schewe was also on the panel and he doesn't make profiles. Following your logic, was there anyone on the panel who makes cd label printers? Stan Shire Associate Professor/Department Chair Photographic Imaging Community College of Philadelphia Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E. 215 751-8320 <mailto:sshire@...> sshire@... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Thureson [mailto:glennthureson@...] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:38 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] News on Epson 2200 Gray Balancer SW Epson brought together a "Blue Ribbon Panel" to discuss marketing. One of the members, Andrew Rodney, told Epson (and the world) that the Gray Balancer was "software from Hell". Funny thing is, Rodney is cofounder of Digital Dog, who make profiles for money. (Can you say, conflict of interest?) Subsequently, Epson decided to leave out the Gray Balancer. I'm sure that there are other factors involved, but that can't have helped. Glenn Thureson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] News on Epson 2200 Gray Balancer SW > My own sources point to two basic reasons EPSON USA chose not to include > the software: > > 1) Its complexity would have created numerous tech support calls from > mainstream consumers.. > > 2) Given how sensitive the American niche market for fine prints is > to metamerism, AND how ell developed that market is becoming. It was > felt that to include software that ostensibly PROVED metamerism (in the > sense of needing to tweak for varied lighting conditions) was seen as a > large minus.. > > Keith > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. 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RE: [Digital BW] News on Epson 2200 Gray Balancer SW
2002-08-01 by Shire,Stanley