Stan McQueen wrote: >At 03:16 PM 8/1/2002, Keith wrote: > > >>Blue Ribbon Panel = "cover for justifying the steps some bureaucratic >>entity or key decisionmaker had already decided upon" >> >>see subheadings: >>Challenger Disaster >>Warren Commission >>War against Drugs >>Gore commission on air travel safety and security >>National Health Care Insurance >> >> > >As I recall, the presence of Richard Feynmann on the Challenger Panel >resulted in a finding that was actually useful, albeit one that some >engineers at Thiokol had already warned about. The warnings were >disregarded. Anyway, as many may recall, while others were speaking (or >pontificating), Feynmann was soaking a piece of o-ring material in ice >water. When it was his to turn to speak, he pulled the material out of the >ice and snapped it in pieces. (See "An Outsider's Inside View of the >Challenger Inquiry" by Richard P. Feynmann, Physics Today, February 1988, >pp. 26-37.) Basically, he forced the commission to come to a real, as >opposed to political, conclusion. > > > Agreed 100%! I added Challenger knowing that story quite well.. The story you so nicely told for me was EXACTLY why Challenegr was included on the list.. Feynmann's guts and moxie on that panel serve as a sign of how far one has to go to get a blue ribbon panel to act like a truly independent advisory group instead of a sycophantic organization of rubber stamping toadies.. A blue ribbon panel can work, but you have to have someone brave, independent, and knowledgeable acknowledged as a group/panel leader (unofficially - int need not be the chairperson) to make sure it does more than trumpet the current party line.. I don't think anyone with a vested interest in a political outcome to the inquiry was likely to do what Feynmann did.. Similarly, when people on any panel have a vested interest in certain outcomes (maintiaining a market for profiles, or avoiding responsibility for a bad engineering choice) don't expect them to leave those vested interests at the door to the hearing room.. Does anyone know if there was a single expert on EPSON's panel who had publicly criticized earlier EPSON marketing choices? If not, don't expect true objectivity.. Instead, expect groupthink.. Don't misinterpret me either.. I'm saying you need honest critics, not that the panel needs to be even mostly critics.. Market/focus segments with a vested interest in the outcome need to be included as well, to make sure the spectrum of opinions and interests are represented.. Usually, the panel is carefully selected to look objective while wtill ensuring that certain results/findings are certain. What happens when there is NO honest information broker? Just what we saw economically when you allow banks that are investing in a corporation to sell stock in that corporation and one-in-the-same-time provide "objective analysts" of stocks to news outlets. There were reasons for erecting a Chinee wall between brokers and bankers or between auditors and consultants... Similarly, if you want true objectivity on a panel, you have to include some of the critics.. Nothing is more basicto the operation of a good independent panel. That's why fields as varied and interrelated as marketing, sociologr, polticial science, finance, or and psychology cite this honest brokering of information and a willingness in some panel members to differ from the accepted view as essential elements to effective group dynamics and forum operation.. Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] News on Epson 2200 Gray Balancer SW
2002-08-01 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
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