Robert, I tried all the same papers except the Osprey and I would generally agree with your assessment although I favor the Photo Rag. The Hahnemuhle, EAM and Crane are the top picks from what I have seen so far. The range in resulting hue across this papers is quite large, as you say, making both inks very versatile. Martin Wesley http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Piezotones on Various Papers > Cross-posted > > One addition to the line up below is Red River Premium Matte, which is an > inexpensive optically brightened paper. It is the coolest Selenium > Piezotone print I have seen so far...but still less blue than FS-N on EAM. > Black is a respectable 3. > > Robert > > On 8/16/02 2:02 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote: > > > I just completed a paper screen with the new Selenium Piezotones. My intent > > is to share my impressions of the relative tone of the Seleniums on various > > papers and then put them in perspective to the Neutral Warm Piezotones. In > > addition, I'd say that the MIS FS-N inks are blue and cool and the original > > Cone inks and MIS FS inks are warm (when fully warmed over the course of > > several weeks) when compared to my "Cool" and "Warm" labels below. > > > > My observations are based on observing a continuous gray ramp, a gray wedge > > and two test prints printed with custom profiles for Imageprint. All prints > > were produced with an Epson 7000. > > > > I have also read dmax for these paper/ink combinations. I'm sharing > > relative black ratings instead of actual dmax figures...because of > > variability between various densitometers. I'm reading dmax with the > > density setting on my spectrocam spectrophotomer. 5 is the top rating for > > black and 1 is the bottom rating. The spread on my spectrophotometer is > > about .25 dmax units. It is difficult to see differences in black of 1 > > unit...but you can see the difference in 2 units. Also by way of reference, > > the best black that I got with the piezo driver and FS or the original cone > > inks would have been a 3 on Photorag...Osprey would have been a -2. > > Somerset Velvet (uncoated Iris paper) on the old inks would have been about > > -4 and -2 with the new inks. > > > > Here are the papers listed from Cool to Warm with black ratings at the end. > > > > Cool > > SelPT--Brightcube Eclipse Velvet or Satine Bright White--1 black > > SelPT--Epson Archival Matte (Epson Enhanced Matte)--4 black > > SelPT--Hahnemuhle Photorag (Media Street Royal Renasainse)--4.5 black > > SelPT--Hawk Mountain Merlin--2 black > > NWPT--Epson Archival Matte (Epson Enhanced Matte)--4 black > > SelPT--Hawk Mountain Osprey--1 black > > SelPT--Legion Somerset Enhanced--3.7 black > > SelPT--Brightcube Eclipse Soft White--2 black > > SelPT--Crane Museo--4 black > > SelPT--Hahnemuhle William Turner (Media Street Royal Jazz, Conetech Wells > > river)--5 black > > NWPT--Hahnemuhle Photorag (Media Street Royal Renasainse)--4.5 black > > NWPT--Hawk Mountain Osprey--1 black > > NWPT--SelPT--Brightcube Eclipse Soft White--2 black > > NWPT--Crane Museo--4 black > > NWPT--Hahnemuhle William Turner (Media Street Royal Jazz, Conetech Wells > > river)--5 black > > Warm > > > > Roughly speaking the tones of inks follow the whiteness of the paper. The > > Brightcube Bright White and EAM are loaded with optical brighteners and thus > > are very white...the Photorag has the next largest quantity of > > brighteners...etc. Perhaps of greatest interest is the cross over where the > > ink tone for the NWPT on EAM actually crosses into the SelPT lineup. I've > > had several other sets of eyes take a look at these prints and they > > essentially agree with my ratings. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > > resources as they are often being updated. 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Re: [Digital BW] Piezotones on Various Papers
2002-08-17 by Martin Wesley
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