Digital BW, The Print

On 8/16/02 5:15 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> I tried all the same papers except the Osprey and I would generally agree
> with your assessment although I favor the Photo Rag. The Hahnemuhle, EAM and
> Crane are the top picks from what I have seen so far. The range in resulting
> hue across this papers is quite large, as you say, making both inks very
> versatile.
> 
Its funny, I've recently fallen in love with EAM...no heckling from the
peanut gallery.  EAM is my proofing paper (in rolls on the 7000), Photorag
gives a great non-coated print, and I use the smooth side of Eclipse Satine
Soft White and Museo for coated prints...If I need a smoother surface for
coating I use Merlin.  I think another knock out with the Selenium's is
Somerset Enhanced.  I never liked this paper before because of its high
price and poor dmax...but the dmax is really good now...but the price is
still high.  Given that it is now to become a preferred Epson paper there is
a chance that the price may come down. I still have a large quantity of the
discontinued Xtreme Gamut Satine which prints identically to SSE with the
Piezotones and which was about a third the price of SSE when I bought it.

All said the paper options are much, much better with the piezotones than
they were with the old cone inks and the MIS inks.

Robert


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Piezotones on Various Papers
> 
> 
>> Cross-posted
>> 
>> One addition to the line up below is Red River Premium Matte, which is an
>> inexpensive optically brightened paper.  It is the coolest Selenium
>> Piezotone print I have seen so far...but still less blue than FS-N on EAM.
>> Black is a respectable 3.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 8/16/02 2:02 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just completed a paper screen with the new Selenium Piezotones.  My
> intent
>>> is to share my impressions of the relative tone of the Seleniums on
> various
>>> papers and then put them in perspective to the Neutral Warm Piezotones.
> In
>>> addition, I'd say that the MIS FS-N inks are blue and cool and the
> original
>>> Cone inks and MIS FS inks are warm (when fully warmed over the course of
>>> several weeks) when compared to my "Cool" and "Warm" labels below.
>>> 
>>> My observations are based on observing a continuous gray ramp, a gray
> wedge
>>> and two test prints printed with custom profiles for Imageprint.  All
> prints
>>> were produced with an Epson 7000.
>>> 
>>> I have also read dmax for these paper/ink combinations.  I'm sharing
>>> relative black ratings instead of actual dmax figures...because of
>>> variability between various densitometers.  I'm reading dmax with the
>>> density setting on my spectrocam spectrophotomer.  5 is the top rating
> for
>>> black and 1 is the bottom rating.  The spread on my spectrophotometer is
>>> about .25 dmax units.  It is difficult to see differences in black of 1
>>> unit...but you can see the difference in 2 units.  Also by way of
> reference,
>>> the best black that I got with the piezo driver and FS or the original
> cone
>>> inks would have been a 3 on Photorag...Osprey would have been a -2.
>>> Somerset Velvet (uncoated Iris paper) on the old inks would have been
> about
>>> -4 and -2 with the new inks.
>>> 
>>> Here are the papers listed from Cool to Warm with black ratings at the
> end.
>>> 
>>> Cool
>>> SelPT--Brightcube Eclipse Velvet or Satine Bright White--1 black
>>> SelPT--Epson Archival Matte (Epson Enhanced Matte)--4 black
>>> SelPT--Hahnemuhle Photorag (Media Street Royal Renasainse)--4.5 black
>>> SelPT--Hawk Mountain Merlin--2 black
>>> NWPT--Epson Archival Matte (Epson Enhanced Matte)--4 black
>>> SelPT--Hawk Mountain Osprey--1 black
>>> SelPT--Legion Somerset Enhanced--3.7 black
>>> SelPT--Brightcube Eclipse Soft White--2 black
>>> SelPT--Crane Museo--4 black
>>> SelPT--Hahnemuhle William Turner (Media Street Royal Jazz, Conetech
> Wells
>>> river)--5 black
>>> NWPT--Hahnemuhle Photorag (Media Street Royal Renasainse)--4.5 black
>>> NWPT--Hawk Mountain Osprey--1 black
>>> NWPT--SelPT--Brightcube Eclipse Soft White--2 black
>>> NWPT--Crane Museo--4 black
>>> NWPT--Hahnemuhle William Turner (Media Street Royal Jazz, Conetech Wells
>>> river)--5 black
>>> Warm
>>> 
>>> Roughly speaking the tones of inks follow the whiteness of the paper.
> The
>>> Brightcube Bright White and EAM are loaded with optical brighteners and
> thus
>>> are very white...the Photorag has the next largest quantity of
>>> brighteners...etc.  Perhaps of greatest interest is the cross over where
> the
>>> ink tone for the NWPT on EAM actually crosses into the SelPT lineup.
> I've
>>> had several other sets of eyes take a look at these prints and they
>>> essentially agree with my ratings.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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