It stinks with the quad pigment blacks...poor rub off and soft image...this is a made for dye paper. The gallerie smooth pearl has similar problems...but works with epson pigments. The best E surface papers out there for BW quad are Bightcube Semi-Matte and Generations Prophoto lustre...but both need to be sprayed. Robert On 9/1/02 9:24 PM, "David J. Bookbinder" <david_bookbinder@...> wrote: > I'm just using Epson OEM inks and making color prints, so I can't say how > the paper will respond to b&w inksets. But, for the Epson color inks it > responds almost identically to Colorlife, but has a smooth, glossy surface > instead of Colorlife's pearl surface. It also doesn't curl like Colorlife > paper does. > > - David > > -----Original Message----- > From: bggilliand2001 [mailto:bgilliand@...] > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:23 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled? > Honest) > > > What ink set are you using? > > Barry Gilliand > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., <david_bookbinder@s...> > wrote: >> Another option for the 10-20 year print life and are using the >> 1280 is Ilford Classic Gallerie glossy paper, which is about >> as glossy as my old wet-chemistry prints when dried with the >> print surface pointed away from the drum. To most people who've >> seen my stuff, they are not distinguishable from wet-chemistry >> prints. >> >> - David >> >> = = = Original message = = = >> >> In no certain order... >> >> 1. Your print gradation will improve if you move to a 6-color >> or 7-color >> printer. >> >> 2. I have a Polaroid SprintScan 120 and use it regularly to scan >> b/w medium >> format film. I've been very happy with it. As for dpi, do the >> math and see >> what you need on the input side to get your desired output at >> about 300 >> dpi. For example, an 8 x 10 at 300 dpi is 2400 x 3000 pixels. >> A 2800 dpi >> scanner will give about 2660 x 3920 for 35mm -- just enough. >> >> 3. A glossy b/w print is more problematic. I print on matte paper >> with an >> Epson 2000P and an Epson 1280 running third party ink. I like >> the look of >> matte better. For glossy, an Epson 2200 or a 1280 may be > possibility. >> You >> didn't say how long you want the prints to last. If, say, 10-20 >> years is >> OK, a 1280 using Epson ColorLife paper may be acceptable. It >> is a semigloss >> paper. >> >> 4. Another option for glossy is having a Lightjet print made >> if you have a >> local lab that offers such. >> >> Jeff Greer >> >> At 11:10 AM 09/01/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>> Much of my photo business is shooting Headshots also (see >>> www.rickschiller.com ) I've switched to printing digitally, >> scanning >>> from film ( TMY pulled a stop, TMX, FP4, Pan-F ) First big >> problem is >>> giving people glossy prints, no way my clients will accept matte >> finished >>> prints so that limits your ink choice. On an Epson 860 (4-color) >> I went >>> with the Lyson Quad blacks and was very disappointed with the >> strong >>> mid-tone magenta cast. I switched to Lyson Small Gamut and >> am getting >>> better tones. I use the Lyson paper. But the big problems >> are as follows: >>> >>> 1. Gradation is not as smooth, especially in the highlights. >> I have a low >>> end scanner ( Canon 2720 ) and really need to upgrade. I posted >> here 2 days >>> ago and don't know whether to go with a Nikon ls4000/ls40 or >>> Microtek/Polaroid. And if I need to spend more money on the >> higher end >>> 4000 dpi models. >>> 2. My digital prints are good and when duped to lithos, ordinarily >> look >>> better then many dupes I've seen from darkroom prints, sharper. >> But >>> gradation is still lacking. >>> 3. I have some test scans from Nikon scanners, they are sharper >> then the >>> Canon 2720. But the sharpness has a downside in that every >> minute mark on >>> the negs, which would not be picked up in the darkroom, the >> scanner picks up >>> and has to be spotted out in Photoshop. >>> 4. There are other issues, I'm tired of writing right now but >> open to all >>> ideas . . . . >>> >>> Yes, until I get it all resolved I'm considering going back >> to darkroom >>> printing or sending all printing work out depending on my level >> of bookings >>> in any given week. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, >> Polls and >>> other resources as they are often being updated. 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Re: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled? Honest)
2002-09-02 by Robert Morrison