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Re: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled? Honest)

2002-09-01 by david_bookbinder@sprynet.com

Another option for the 10-20 year print life and are using the 
1280 is Ilford Classic Gallerie glossy paper, which is about 
as glossy as my old wet-chemistry prints when dried with the 
print surface pointed away from the drum. To most people who've 
seen my stuff, they are not distinguishable from wet-chemistry 
prints.

- David

= = = Original message = = =

In no certain order...

1. Your print gradation will improve if you move to a 6-color 
or 7-color 
printer.

2. I have a Polaroid SprintScan 120 and use it regularly to scan 
b/w medium 
format film. I've been very happy with it. As for dpi, do the 
math and see 
what you need on the input side to get your desired output at 
about 300 
dpi. For example, an 8 x 10 at 300 dpi is 2400 x 3000 pixels. 
A 2800 dpi 
scanner will give about 2660 x 3920 for 35mm -- just enough.

3. A glossy b/w print is more problematic. I print on matte paper 
with an 
Epson 2000P and an Epson 1280 running third party ink. I like 
the look of 
matte better. For glossy, an Epson 2200 or a 1280 may be possibility. 
You 
didn't say how long you want the prints to last. If, say, 10-20 
years is 
OK, a 1280 using Epson ColorLife paper may be acceptable. It 
is a semigloss 
paper.

4. Another option for glossy is having a Lightjet print made 
if you have a 
local lab that offers such.

Jeff Greer

At 11:10 AM 09/01/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Much of my photo business is shooting Headshots also (see
>www.rickschiller.com  )    I've  switched to printing digitally, 
scanning
>from film ( TMY pulled a stop, TMX, FP4, Pan-F )   First big 
problem is
>giving people glossy prints, no way my clients will accept matte 
finished
>prints so that limits your ink choice.  On an Epson 860 (4-color) 
 I went
>with the Lyson Quad blacks and was very disappointed with the 
strong
>mid-tone magenta cast.  I switched to Lyson Small Gamut and 
am getting
>better tones.  I use the Lyson paper.   But the big problems 
are as follows:
>
>1. Gradation is not as smooth, especially in the highlights. 
 I have a low
>end scanner ( Canon 2720 ) and really need to upgrade.  I posted 
here 2 days
>ago and don't know whether to go with a Nikon ls4000/ls40 or
>Microtek/Polaroid.   And if I need to spend more money on the 
higher end
>4000 dpi models.
>2. My digital prints are good and when duped to lithos, ordinarily 
look
>better then many dupes I've seen from darkroom prints, sharper. 
 But
>gradation is still lacking.
>3. I have some test scans from Nikon scanners, they are sharper 
then the
>Canon 2720.  But the sharpness has a downside in that every 
minute mark on
>the negs, which would not be picked up in the darkroom, the 
scanner picks up
>and has to be spotted out in Photoshop.
>4. There are other issues, I'm tired of writing right now but 
open to all
>ideas . . . .
>
>Yes, until I get it all resolved I'm considering going back 
to darkroom
>printing or sending all printing work out depending on my level 
of bookings
>in any given week.
>
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled? Honest)

2002-09-01 by bggilliand2001

What ink set are you using?

Barry Gilliand
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., <david_bookbinder@s...> 
wrote:
> Another option for the 10-20 year print life and are using the 
> 1280 is Ilford Classic Gallerie glossy paper, which is about 
> as glossy as my old wet-chemistry prints when dried with the 
> print surface pointed away from the drum. To most people who've 
> seen my stuff, they are not distinguishable from wet-chemistry 
> prints.
> 
> - David
> 
> = = = Original message = = =
> 
> In no certain order...
> 
> 1. Your print gradation will improve if you move to a 6-color 
> or 7-color 
> printer.
> 
> 2. I have a Polaroid SprintScan 120 and use it regularly to scan 
> b/w medium 
> format film. I've been very happy with it. As for dpi, do the 
> math and see 
> what you need on the input side to get your desired output at 
> about 300 
> dpi. For example, an 8 x 10 at 300 dpi is 2400 x 3000 pixels. 
> A 2800 dpi 
> scanner will give about 2660 x 3920 for 35mm -- just enough.
> 
> 3. A glossy b/w print is more problematic. I print on matte paper 
> with an 
> Epson 2000P and an Epson 1280 running third party ink. I like 
> the look of 
> matte better. For glossy, an Epson 2200 or a 1280 may be 
possibility. 
> You 
> didn't say how long you want the prints to last. If, say, 10-20 
> years is 
> OK, a 1280 using Epson ColorLife paper may be acceptable. It 
> is a semigloss 
> paper.
> 
> 4. Another option for glossy is having a Lightjet print made 
> if you have a 
> local lab that offers such.
> 
> Jeff Greer
> 
> At 11:10 AM 09/01/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Much of my photo business is shooting Headshots also (see
> >www.rickschiller.com  )    I've  switched to printing digitally, 
> scanning
> >from film ( TMY pulled a stop, TMX, FP4, Pan-F )   First big 
> problem is
> >giving people glossy prints, no way my clients will accept matte 
> finished
> >prints so that limits your ink choice.  On an Epson 860 (4-color) 
>  I went
> >with the Lyson Quad blacks and was very disappointed with the 
> strong
> >mid-tone magenta cast.  I switched to Lyson Small Gamut and 
> am getting
> >better tones.  I use the Lyson paper.   But the big problems 
> are as follows:
> >
> >1. Gradation is not as smooth, especially in the highlights. 
>  I have a low
> >end scanner ( Canon 2720 ) and really need to upgrade.  I posted 
> here 2 days
> >ago and don't know whether to go with a Nikon ls4000/ls40 or
> >Microtek/Polaroid.   And if I need to spend more money on the 
> higher end
> >4000 dpi models.
> >2. My digital prints are good and when duped to lithos, ordinarily 
> look
> >better then many dupes I've seen from darkroom prints, sharper. 
>  But
> >gradation is still lacking.
> >3. I have some test scans from Nikon scanners, they are sharper 
> then the
> >Canon 2720.  But the sharpness has a downside in that every 
> minute mark on
> >the negs, which would not be picked up in the darkroom, the 
> scanner picks up
> >and has to be spotted out in Photoshop.
> >4. There are other issues, I'm tired of writing right now but 
> open to all
> >ideas . . . .
> >
> >Yes, until I get it all resolved I'm considering going back 
> to darkroom
> >printing or sending all printing work out depending on my level 
> of bookings
> >in any given week.
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled? Honest)

2002-09-02 by David J. Bookbinder

I'm just using Epson OEM inks and making color prints, so I can't say how
the paper will respond to b&w inksets. But, for the Epson color inks it
responds almost identically to Colorlife, but has a smooth, glossy surface
instead of Colorlife's pearl surface. It also doesn't curl like Colorlife
paper does.

- David
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-----Original Message-----
From: bggilliand2001 [mailto:bgilliand@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:23 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled?
Honest)


What ink set are you using?

Barry Gilliand
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., <david_bookbinder@s...>
wrote:
> Another option for the 10-20 year print life and are using the
> 1280 is Ilford Classic Gallerie glossy paper, which is about
> as glossy as my old wet-chemistry prints when dried with the
> print surface pointed away from the drum. To most people who've
> seen my stuff, they are not distinguishable from wet-chemistry
> prints.
>
> - David
>
> = = = Original message = = =
>
> In no certain order...
>
> 1. Your print gradation will improve if you move to a 6-color
> or 7-color
> printer.
>
> 2. I have a Polaroid SprintScan 120 and use it regularly to scan
> b/w medium
> format film. I've been very happy with it. As for dpi, do the
> math and see
> what you need on the input side to get your desired output at
> about 300
> dpi. For example, an 8 x 10 at 300 dpi is 2400 x 3000 pixels.
> A 2800 dpi
> scanner will give about 2660 x 3920 for 35mm -- just enough.
>
> 3. A glossy b/w print is more problematic. I print on matte paper
> with an
> Epson 2000P and an Epson 1280 running third party ink. I like
> the look of
> matte better. For glossy, an Epson 2200 or a 1280 may be
possibility.
> You
> didn't say how long you want the prints to last. If, say, 10-20
> years is
> OK, a 1280 using Epson ColorLife paper may be acceptable. It
> is a semigloss
> paper.
>
> 4. Another option for glossy is having a Lightjet print made
> if you have a
> local lab that offers such.
>
> Jeff Greer
>
> At 11:10 AM 09/01/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Much of my photo business is shooting Headshots also (see
> >www.rickschiller.com  )    I've  switched to printing digitally,
> scanning
> >from film ( TMY pulled a stop, TMX, FP4, Pan-F )   First big
> problem is
> >giving people glossy prints, no way my clients will accept matte
> finished
> >prints so that limits your ink choice.  On an Epson 860 (4-color)
>  I went
> >with the Lyson Quad blacks and was very disappointed with the
> strong
> >mid-tone magenta cast.  I switched to Lyson Small Gamut and
> am getting
> >better tones.  I use the Lyson paper.   But the big problems
> are as follows:
> >
> >1. Gradation is not as smooth, especially in the highlights.
>  I have a low
> >end scanner ( Canon 2720 ) and really need to upgrade.  I posted
> here 2 days
> >ago and don't know whether to go with a Nikon ls4000/ls40 or
> >Microtek/Polaroid.   And if I need to spend more money on the
> higher end
> >4000 dpi models.
> >2. My digital prints are good and when duped to lithos, ordinarily
> look
> >better then many dupes I've seen from darkroom prints, sharper.
>  But
> >gradation is still lacking.
> >3. I have some test scans from Nikon scanners, they are sharper
> then the
> >Canon 2720.  But the sharpness has a downside in that every
> minute mark on
> >the negs, which would not be picked up in the darkroom, the
> scanner picks up
> >and has to be spotted out in Photoshop.
> >4. There are other issues, I'm tired of writing right now but
> open to all
> >ideas . . . .
> >
> >Yes, until I get it all resolved I'm considering going back
> to darkroom
> >printing or sending all printing work out depending on my level
> of bookings
> >in any given week.
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and
> >other resources as they are often being updated. The page is
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Re: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled? Honest)

2002-09-02 by Robert Morrison

It stinks with the quad pigment blacks...poor rub off and soft image...this
is a made for dye paper.  The gallerie smooth pearl has similar
problems...but works with epson pigments.  The best E surface papers out
there for BW quad are Bightcube Semi-Matte and Generations Prophoto
lustre...but both need to be sprayed.

Robert

On 9/1/02 9:24 PM, "David J. Bookbinder" <david_bookbinder@...>
wrote:
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> I'm just using Epson OEM inks and making color prints, so I can't say how
> the paper will respond to b&w inksets. But, for the Epson color inks it
> responds almost identically to Colorlife, but has a smooth, glossy surface
> instead of Colorlife's pearl surface. It also doesn't curl like Colorlife
> paper does.
> 
> - David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bggilliand2001 [mailto:bgilliand@...]
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:23 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled?
> Honest)
> 
> 
> What ink set are you using?
> 
> Barry Gilliand
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., <david_bookbinder@s...>
> wrote:
>> Another option for the 10-20 year print life and are using the
>> 1280 is Ilford Classic Gallerie glossy paper, which is about
>> as glossy as my old wet-chemistry prints when dried with the
>> print surface pointed away from the drum. To most people who've
>> seen my stuff, they are not distinguishable from wet-chemistry
>> prints.
>> 
>> - David
>> 
>> = = = Original message = = =
>> 
>> In no certain order...
>> 
>> 1. Your print gradation will improve if you move to a 6-color
>> or 7-color
>> printer.
>> 
>> 2. I have a Polaroid SprintScan 120 and use it regularly to scan
>> b/w medium
>> format film. I've been very happy with it. As for dpi, do the
>> math and see
>> what you need on the input side to get your desired output at
>> about 300
>> dpi. For example, an 8 x 10 at 300 dpi is 2400 x 3000 pixels.
>> A 2800 dpi
>> scanner will give about 2660 x 3920 for 35mm -- just enough.
>> 
>> 3. A glossy b/w print is more problematic. I print on matte paper
>> with an
>> Epson 2000P and an Epson 1280 running third party ink. I like
>> the look of
>> matte better. For glossy, an Epson 2200 or a 1280 may be
> possibility.
>> You
>> didn't say how long you want the prints to last. If, say, 10-20
>> years is
>> OK, a 1280 using Epson ColorLife paper may be acceptable. It
>> is a semigloss
>> paper.
>> 
>> 4. Another option for glossy is having a Lightjet print made
>> if you have a
>> local lab that offers such.
>> 
>> Jeff Greer
>> 
>> At 11:10 AM 09/01/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>> Much of my photo business is shooting Headshots also (see
>>> www.rickschiller.com  )    I've  switched to printing digitally,
>> scanning
>>> from film ( TMY pulled a stop, TMX, FP4, Pan-F )   First big
>> problem is
>>> giving people glossy prints, no way my clients will accept matte
>> finished
>>> prints so that limits your ink choice.  On an Epson 860 (4-color)
>>  I went
>>> with the Lyson Quad blacks and was very disappointed with the
>> strong
>>> mid-tone magenta cast.  I switched to Lyson Small Gamut and
>> am getting
>>> better tones.  I use the Lyson paper.   But the big problems
>> are as follows:
>>> 
>>> 1. Gradation is not as smooth, especially in the highlights.
>>  I have a low
>>> end scanner ( Canon 2720 ) and really need to upgrade.  I posted
>> here 2 days
>>> ago and don't know whether to go with a Nikon ls4000/ls40 or
>>> Microtek/Polaroid.   And if I need to spend more money on the
>> higher end
>>> 4000 dpi models.
>>> 2. My digital prints are good and when duped to lithos, ordinarily
>> look
>>> better then many dupes I've seen from darkroom prints, sharper.
>>  But
>>> gradation is still lacking.
>>> 3. I have some test scans from Nikon scanners, they are sharper
>> then the
>>> Canon 2720.  But the sharpness has a downside in that every
>> minute mark on
>>> the negs, which would not be picked up in the darkroom, the
>> scanner picks up
>>> and has to be spotted out in Photoshop.
>>> 4. There are other issues, I'm tired of writing right now but
>> open to all
>>> ideas . . . .
>>> 
>>> Yes, until I get it all resolved I'm considering going back
>> to darkroom
>>> printing or sending all printing work out depending on my level
>> of bookings
>>> in any given week.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
>> Polls and
>>> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is
>> at:
>>> 
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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Re[2]: [Digital BW] Glossy prints (was Is anyone really thrilled? Honest)

2002-09-02 by Richard Sintchak

Sunday, September 1, 2002, 11:58:44 PM, Robert Morrison wrote:

RM> It stinks with the quad pigment blacks...poor rub off and soft image...this
RM> is a made for dye paper.  The gallerie smooth pearl has similar
RM> problems...but works with epson pigments.  The best E surface papers out
RM> there for BW quad are Bightcube Semi-Matte and Generations Prophoto
RM> lustre...but both need to be sprayed.

RM> Robert


Robert,

I've read similar reports as you describe but I went ahead anyway
tonight and tried printing on Ilford Gallerie Classic Pearl (inkjet
paper) with my 1160 and MIS FS-N and they look great! There's a small
bit of what looks like bleeding on the edges of the image, which would
have me thinking the rest would be similarly bleeding and result in a
soft image, but it has not significantly. Let me put it this way: if
the print on EAM represented sharpness on a scale at 100, the
sharpness of the same print on the Pearl is 90. I'd say it has held
it's sharpness quite well when compared to the same image printed on
EAM as you must hold them very close and side by side to see any real
difference. The blacks are not as black as with EAM but still quite
nice.

I'll let them "cure" overnight and see what I find in the morning. But
so far am very pleased: a semi-matte, pearl finish for my quadtones
prints.

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

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