Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PiezoTone Selenium 300 Hr Fade test


> On 9/2/02 12:26 AM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
> Paul just confirmed that...but the MIS DD K is a different beast.  The FS
> and VM is best on EAM and Hahnemuhle...but as I recall the MIS DD K does
> better on Museo and Eclipse...complete reversal.

That's the alternate black from their archival color inks. Hadn't considered
that one. Is it a neutral or war/neutral black.
>
(snip)
> >
> > The problem is that the FS/VM black is very neutral and the PT black is
red
> > warm so if you made that substitution you would have the best of both
worlds
> > as far as warm/fade but I suspect you would have an ink set closer to
> > FS-Neutral than Selenium PT in hue. I have both on hand and some empty
carts
> > for the 1280 so I should give it a try.
>
> Why don't you...I'll try the MIS DD the same way.

That should be interesting. maybe we can both send wedges to Paul and he
will be kind enough to stick them in his fader when he has time.
>
(snip)

> > PiezoTones. ImagePrint is not a solution for the desktop unless they
want to
> > greatly increase the number of profiles, supported printers and slash
the
> > price.
>
> Imageprint profiles are free for Imageprint...they will profile anything
you
> like...and in addition there is talk about them making their profiling
> software available for free...all you need is a densitometer.

Do you have a test target I can print out and send them? The profiling
software would be great! Especially if we are allowed to share the profiles.
There are enough of us with spectrophotometers at this point that we could
very rapidly cover just about everything out there in the way of paper and
ink combinations which would make IP very attractive with limited
development cost to ColorByte.

As it currently stands though I would not recommend it for the 1280 due to
the lack of profiles, they don't even have the MIS-VM profiles although the
website says they are supported, and the high cost. Lots of great features
that really are of little use to someone doing quad printing on a 1280. The
dither is on a par with the Piezo/R9 plugin but no better.
>
> > I suggested to Hiram French that it might be to his benefit and the
benefit
> > of the end users to profile the MIS-FS and PiezoTone inks for the R9
plugin
> > as well as the Sundance inks. I think that from a software point of view
> > Sundance may be in a position to respond more quickly than anyone else.
I
> > certainly would be willing to pay for an upgrade or a whole new version
that
> > had 40 paper profiles for 6 different inks and 7 desktop printers.
> >
> It seems to me that it would certainly be to his benefit...but this market
> is somewhat irrational...people get mad and stay mad at each other...but
> obviously not forever...Colorbyte and Cone are back together again!
>
Well, Hiram didn't sound very interested, but perhaps if some other people
would write him and make our wishes know he might get interested. I gather
they do not have the huge collection of printers that ConeTech does but I am
sure there would be many users who would be willing to work with Sundance
for free and provide test patch printouts to get the PiezoTone and FS inks
profiled in the plugin.

Martin