Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message -----
From: "shileshcjani" <shilesh.jani@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Media Street Black + FS-N was PiezoTone Selenium
300 Hr Fade test


> Martin,
>
> Thank you. In your observation, did the color position inks of the PT-
> NW and PT-S also show this color break-up when you cleaned the
> syringes?

Shilesh,

I don't remember seeing anything but it has been awhile. Both the NW and S
gray inks were so rock solid in Paul's fade test they would seem to be the
ones to go with.

Martin


>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "janishilesh" <shilesh.jani@s...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:18 AM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Media Street Black + FS-N was PiezoTone
> Selenium 300
> > Hr Fade test
> >
> >
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > As you and I discussed on the phone a few days back, I am
> interested
> > > in the deeper blacks of the new PT inks. I do not have at hand,
> but I
> > > do have MediaStreet Generations Black (MS-GK). These inks also
> > > supposedely have dye content in it to give the deeper black. I
> used
> > > this ink with FS-N (vacuum filled virgin carts, not CIS). The
> prints
> > > were very, very nice once I created a new curves adjustment layer.
> > > However, within a few prints, one a 12 x 18 print, the color cart
> > > started to leak like crazy (!). I dont know why, but it certainly
> > > made a mess of my b/w 1280.
> > >
> > > Not wanting to give up completely, I played around the kitchen
> sink
> > > with FS-NK and the MS-GK. It is incredible how these inks are
> > > different. I took two very white porcelin cups filled with water,
> and
> > > put a drop of each of these inks in them each. Even the first
> > > interaction with water is very different. But the most obvious
> > > difference is that FS-NK is very neutral, and single hued. The MS-
> GK,
> > > on the otherhand, separates out into a dye (very
> purple/red/magenta)
> > > content and more or less masks any native pigment color. So is
> the PT-
> > > K the same as MS-GK? And was my cartridge dripping caused by
> > > incompatibilities between FS-N and MS-GK when on the parking pad?
> Or
> > > was it just a bad fill job?
> >
> > Shilesh,
> >
> > I really am beginning to wonder if the PT-K and the Gen-K are not
> the same
> > ink. What you describe in your dilution test is exactly what I saw
> in the
> > sink after cleaned up the syringes I used to take samples from the
> MIS-VM K
> > and PT-K bottles. The VM-K is obviously a very neutral black but
> the PT-K
> > broke up into a warm/purple just as you describe.
> >
> > Also check out Paul's fade testing of the Gen and Indelible blacks
> in
> > folder:
> >
> > Files > Ink Sets > MIS
> >
> > and then take a look at his fade test of the PT-K, PzoTone-VM-FS-K-
> 100 hr
> > fade test.jpg ,
> > in folder:
> >
> > Files > Ink Sets > PiezoTones > PiezoTone vs MIS-FS
> >
> > Is Generations making the PT inks for Jon?
> >
> > The leaking cartridge would probably be something else. Perhaps a
> vacuum
> > leak in the cart? If the inks reacted badly together I would expect
> a
> > clogging rather than a leak but I believe they are compatible.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
>
>
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