Digital BW, The Print

Jerry

What you wrote coincides with my experience, even though I'm using the same
1160 for both (I bought new cartridges and switched over entirely, so I
can't side by side them, I'm comparing the new VT prints to older VP3
prints), but I need my file to look lighter and contrastier for my VT prints
than my file which was right for VP3. I'm doing as you suggest, just making
a separate luminosity curve that I will add to the files when I apply the VT
curve. I wonder if we experience this more than Paul cause we are on Macs
and he's on a PC. Oh wait a minute, your on a different printer and curves
too, never mind, too many variables.

As for color, too early to say, I've made too few VT prints as yet. What I'm
noticing is the blacks with the MIS inks seem to start out warmer (redder?)
than the Piezo, until the inks dry. Late last night, while I was doing my
first tests, this had me think I wasn't getting prints as cold as my VP3 mix
(which I may have inadvertently mixed rather cool to begin with - I'm not
very good with the syringe ;-)), but now that they are dry, and I'm viewing
them in daylight, they are as cool. Though I still feel like I perceive a
touch more red in the blacks of the MIS, but it is in no way objectionable.
Do you see that too? Anyway, I'll print more today to get a better feel for
things. This is really only when I hold prints side by side for scrutinious
comparisons.

Over all I think I like it just fine, just have to get in the flow...

Oh, one thing about color. With both the VT and VP3, I find a print that
looks neutral in tungsten will be rather cool in daylight. I don't know if
this is metamerism, as it follows the natural color of the light sources,
but it does make critical judgements about color difficult. You like your
prints cooler than I do, so I'll probably stay one curve warmer than you do.
Do you find the MIS inks dry down cooler than they look when fresh?

Todd

> Todd, I do notice the VP3 files and the VT files look different on the screen.
> You have to make them a bit contrastier and lighter with the
> new inks. But then I have a 4 ink printer for the VP3 and a 6 ink printer for
> the New inks, so that may make a difference too.
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> I would think you could make a curve to make them equal and save it and load
> it just before printing.
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> Jerry
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> How do you like the cool or neutral cool curve Todd?
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>> I'm finding files which I tweaked for VP3, print muddy with the MIS VT if
>> left unaltered. Is this to be expected? I'm finding I don't get as good a
>> screen to print match with the VT as I did with the VP3, in that the file
>> now requires more contrast to look right in print. I haven't done extensive
>> testing yet, as I thought I should check to see if this is to be expected.
>> 
>> Did you guys find this to be the case?  Did you find that files which were
>> properly adjusted for the VP3 fell right into place with the VT using the
>> quads in an 1160? Which method gave the better screen (before Paul's curves)
>> to print match?
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>> It's not so far off that I can't compensate, but if this behavior isn't to
>> be expected, I'll mess with my workflow before messing with all my files. I
>> should probably explore that option in either case.
>> 
>> Maybe just using the contrast slider?....
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>> Thanks,
>> Todd
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>> I'm using an 1160 printer, BTW.
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