Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Jon Cone on New Blacks...


> Val don't forget that Martin was one of the first to note the problems and
> Martin uses the Piezo pluggin - always be wary of what a manufacturer
tells
> you
>
Julian,

Paul deserves the credit for noticing it first. I just went into wishful
thinking mode and hoped it would be okay. Initially it didn't look too bad
with the Warm-Neutral set but really noticeable with the Selenium grays.

Even if one driver uses less of the black ink than another, sooner or later
it is going to be a problem. I stuck a test wedge printed with the Piezo
driver up in a west window and after 8 days I could see the color shift in
the black in the 85 to 100% range. I will let it go awhile longer and then
send it off to inkjetmall.

There was also a report of the warm/fade in samples sent out by inkjetmall.
That is posted in the Files section under Inksets>PiezoTone. Of course we
don't know if this was printed with the Piezo driver or IP5.

I agree with Val that overall ConeTech has advanced grayscale inks and
printing. But as you posted they are their own worst enemy. By using wildly
optimistic ad copy they set themselves up for getting bashed if something
goes wrong. Personally I don't have super high product expectations out here
on the bleeding edge but if you make big time promises you are asking for
trouble, when in the general consumer marketplace product quality is very
high. They off-set this to some extent with great tech support and customer
service. They are the only company that has ever FedEx'ed me a replacement
cartridge with overnight Saturday delivery.

As you also noted their past history in acknowledging problems has not been
good. They have done much better in their handling of the PiezoTone 1280
cartridge problems but the response on the PT black issue is somewhat remini
scent of how they responded to the clog and green issues. They do at least
have an alternative product in the works so that is a plus and will
hopefully put a quick end to the problem. It is possible that the black
issue is batch related and not universal, but more investigation would seem
to be in order. I suspect that this has caught them by surprise and that the
failure is induced by high UV, high temperatures or a combination of the two
that was not present in their initial testing.

Overall I think they get bashed way too hard many times but they certainly
are not without fault either.

Martin Wesley

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Val Brunell" <vbrunell1@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:37 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Jon Cone on New Blacks...
>
>
> > I appreciate Jon's in depth response to the issues that have been
> > raging here.  I have used the PT Sel inks with the PiezoBW plugin and
> > CIS on a 1280 with good results for about six weeks.
> >
> > A key point from Jon's message is that the PT inks have been
> > developed specifically for the PiezoBW driver.  While it is important
> > for current digital BW printing practioner's to expirement, slamming
> > a product that it being used outside its recommended workflows,
> > software, etc., is not really fair. The key is:  Does it work when
> > used as recommended?  While the new PT inks don't satisfy everyone
> > and may have some issues, IMO they are moving the art of digital BW
> > printing forward and we would not have come this far without Cone's
> > contributions.
> >
> > Val Brunell
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Thomas Fors" <tom@f...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jon Cone" <piezobw@c...>
> > > To: <piezography3000@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:52 AM
> > > Subject: [piezoBW] New Piezography Products
> > >
> > >
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