At this point I don't think that the Ultrachrome black is the answer because of its very limited paper compatibility. Seems like a more interesting option for a new variable tone set would be Cone's new museum black...but we'll have to see how well that fades...and how the dmax varies across papers...there there is the problem that its a cone product and VM is an MIS product...big problem...and from what Cone has said...he has an exclusive on that technology...but who knows. Robert On 10/4/02 8:28 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > Ernst, > > You wrote: > >> If Ultrachrome black and grey are used in a quad would the grey be the >> second in density ... > > I have been waiting for the MIS clones to see what we could do with it. I > assume that the clone UC ink is at least an accurate density and viscosity > match for the real thing, and it would be a lot cheaper for me to do my > playing around with free inks. However, once a good quad mix is found, > buying some UC to see (be sure) it is easy to substitute is the obvious next > move. > >> The idea is that on a 3000 with a CIS it would be possible >> to bring five ink lines near the head. 3 greys based on the >> Ultrachrome grey + the two >> Ultrachrome blacks: photo and mat. That is a fade proof >> pigment set with mat and gloss printing possible without >> much ink loss in the ink change. > > I'm not sure how the CIS lines near the head would work. I've never gotten > that far into the mechanics of the machine. > > Even with the current, unmodified 3000, however, switching would not be too > bad. Since we can clean just the black, we can drain that line in 3 > cleaning cycles without any "color" ink being wasted. That is a whole lot > better than the 7600 -- which will cost the price of a full cart of ink when > the blacks are switched. > >> The advantage of the 3000 is that it cleans the black head separately. > > I don't understand why Epson did not design the 7600/9600 to clean only the > black head/line. Again, it sounds like the various design departments at > Epson just do not talk to each other. > >> A VM set would be possible too. > > Absolutely. The vm-s is my first target. However, I also have some ideas > that might get us some much tougher standard quads at MIS prices. (The UC > clones are more expensive.) With any luck, we will see some more quality > improvements in quads this year. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Ultrachrome grey, where does it belong in a quad ?
2002-10-05 by Robert Morrison
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