Hi Evelyn,
I claim no serious expertese but essentially what I do is to work up the image as if I were going to print it as a B&W using what ever you normally do to get to a B&W image in photoshop. Convert to a graytone but up the density 10% - 20% and then convert to a duotone. At that point you should be able to chose from a number of canned duotones, tritones and quadtones that come with photoshop. Add ins such as Keith kreb's are also available and can be put in the duotone folder. When you choose (load) a set the image will change to reflect the choice. You can switch around trying different sets until you finally OK the one that looks best to you. You may need to adjust the white, mid and black points in order to get the result you want - sometimes the "raw" duotone is pretty awful until tweaked. When you load the duotone set it will give a number of colors that have no bearing on reality - just consider them names. Convert back to RGB and tweak the levels and gamut, if needed, until the image looks as you wish it to. Print as you would a color image.
My setup uses a 1200 printer with a CIS loaded with MIS perpetual inks but I usually proof on a Canon S9000 with OEM inks because it is so much faster and if the image works there it can be fine tuned to bring out a good image on the epson.
The MIS Perpetual inkset is to my view very good. It may not quite have the gamut of one of the hot dye based sets but it is very nice indeed and produces lovely color prints. I usually use Eclipse Satine and EEM as papers of choice when printing color, including duotones.
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: Evelyn Grant [mailto:ingamom@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:28 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Cone Sepia and Selenium inks
Roger,
Thanks for the input. At this point I need all the
help I can get. I have not tried a duotone set up. So
far in color all I've done is color adjustments to the
tone I want and then just a straight printout. I
haven't been really pleased with the shadows with this
method which is why I went to the sepia inks. Can you
give me any hints on printing with the duotone set up?
Thanks,
Evelyn
--- Roger L Sopher <rlsopher@...> wrote:
> Hi Evelyn,
>
> Pardon me for jumping in. I had a similar problem in
> getting the degree of sepia that I had envisioned
> the image and ended up going back to a color inkset
> (MIS Perpetual, which is archival) on a second
> printer that I use for color anyway. That has given
> me pretty much the effect I wanted using the
> photoshop duotone set up. I found the Keith Krebs
> quadtone set a good starting place. They are more to
> the red end of things rather than a VanDyke brown
> kind of tint but I would guess that some tweaking
> could get around that. The Lyson small gamut inkset
> can get you to a fair sepia but I don't know about
> its archival properties.
>
> Roger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evelyn Grant [mailto:ingamom@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:03 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Cone Sepia and Selenium
> inks
>
>
> Thanks for the reply Eleanor. I'm just not getting
> any
> brown tones at all with the carbon sepia inks.
> Just
> very warm b&w. I'm not familiar with the Agfa
> Classic,
> in the darkroom I used Kodak Ektalure paper and it
> would tone a gorgeous golden brown with brown
> toner.
> I'm going to try the MIS VMS inks and see what I
> get
> from them. Thanks again.
> Evelyn
> --- "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@...>"
> <elliebrown@...> wrote:
> > Evelyn the tone of my Cone carbon sepia prints
> on
> > the Photo Rag 308 is
> > almost identical to the tone of my silver prints
> > printed on Agfa Classic toned
> > on Kodak Brown Toner. The carbon sepia tone is
> the
> > most beautiful brown
> > tone I've ever seen--a rich very warm brown that
> is
> > not plagued with the
> > greenish/yellow/orange tint of many sepia prints
> > done with other inks/media/
> > toners, etc. eleanor
> >
> >
> > --- In
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > Evelyn Grant <
> > ingamom@y...> wrote:
> > > Eleanor,
> > >
> > > I am using the piezotone carbon sepia with
> Photo
> > Rag
> > > 308 and I'm not seeing any real brown tones.
> Are
> > you
> > > getting really brown prints or are they just
> warm
> > > black & whites?
> > >
> > > Evelyn
> > > --- "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@a...>"
> > > <elliebrown@a...> wrote:
> > > > I have been struggling with what to do with
> > digital
> > > > black and white
> > > > printing (I'm
> > > > a silver printer at heart) for a long time
> and
> > with
> > > > the advent of the
> > > > new cone
> > > > piezotone carbon sepia and selenium inks I
> will
> > > > probably sell my
> > > > darkroom
> > > > equipment in the near future. the tone of
> these
> > > > inks is nothing
> > > > short of
> > > > exquisite on the Ham. Photo Rag 308 and the
> > Kodak
> > > > Ultima Satin. The
> > > > Kodak paper allows the inks to dry and the
> ink
> > > > doesn't rub off but
> > > > this smooth
> > > > surface satin paper does need to be sprayed
> or
> > > > brushed with a
> > > > lacquer. and
> > > > of course the Photo Rag 308 is awesome.
> > > >
> > > > My 1280 printer is working well with these
> inks
> > and
> > > > I haven't
> > > > developed any
> > > > serious clogs like I did with the original
> Piezo
> > > > inks. eleanor brown
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: [Digital BW] Cone Sepia and Selenium inks
2003-01-08 by Roger L Sopher