Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Roger,
 I'll give it a try and see what happens. I'll let you
know.
Evelyn
--- Roger L Sopher <rlsopher@...> wrote:
> Hi Evelyn,
> 
> I claim no serious expertese but essentially what I
> do is to work up the image as if I were going to
> print it as a B&W using what ever you normally do to
> get to a B&W image in photoshop. Convert to a
> graytone but up the density 10% - 20% and then
> convert to a duotone. At that point you should be
> able to chose from a number of canned duotones,
> tritones and quadtones that come with photoshop. Add
> ins such as Keith kreb's are also available and can
> be put in the duotone folder. When you choose (load)
> a set the image will change to reflect the choice.
> You can switch around trying different sets until
> you finally OK the one that looks best to you. You
> may need to adjust the white, mid and black points
> in order to get the result you want - sometimes the
> "raw" duotone is pretty awful until tweaked. When
> you load the duotone set it will give a number of
> colors that have no bearing on reality - just
> consider them names. Convert back to RGB and tweak
> the levels and gamut, if needed, until the image
> looks as you wish it to. Print as you would a color
> image. 
> 
> My setup uses a 1200 printer with a CIS loaded with
> MIS perpetual inks but I usually proof on a Canon
> S9000 with OEM inks because it is so much faster and
> if the image works there it can be fine tuned to
> bring out a good image on the epson. 
> 
> The MIS Perpetual inkset is to my view very good. It
> may not quite have the gamut of one of the hot dye
> based sets but it is very nice indeed and produces
> lovely color prints. I usually use Eclipse Satine
> and EEM as papers of choice when printing color,
> including duotones.
> Roger
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Evelyn Grant [mailto:ingamom@...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:28 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Cone Sepia and Selenium
> inks
> 
> 
>   Roger,
>   Thanks for the input. At this point I need all the
>   help I can get. I have not tried a duotone set up.
> So
>   far in color all I've done is color adjustments to
> the
>   tone I want and then just a straight printout. I
>   haven't been really pleased with the shadows with
> this
>   method which is why I went to the sepia inks. Can
> you
>   give me any hints on printing with the duotone set
> up?
>   Thanks,
>   Evelyn
>   --- Roger L Sopher <rlsopher@...> wrote:
>   > Hi Evelyn,
>   > 
>   > Pardon me for jumping in. I had a similar
> problem in
>   > getting the degree of sepia that I had
> envisioned
>   > the image and ended up going back to a color
> inkset
>   > (MIS Perpetual, which is archival) on a second
>   > printer that I use for color anyway. That has
> given
>   > me pretty much the effect I wanted using the
>   > photoshop duotone set up. I found the Keith
> Krebs
>   > quadtone set a good starting place. They are
> more to
>   > the red end of things rather than a VanDyke
> brown
>   > kind of tint but I would guess that some
> tweaking
>   > could get around that. The Lyson small gamut
> inkset
>   > can get you to a fair sepia but I don't know
> about
>   > its archival properties. 
>   > 
>   > Roger
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: Evelyn Grant [mailto:ingamom@...]
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:03 PM
>   >   To:
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Cone Sepia and
> Selenium
>   > inks
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Thanks for the reply Eleanor. I'm just not
> getting
>   > any
>   >   brown tones at all with the carbon sepia inks.
>   > Just
>   >   very warm b&w. I'm not familiar with the Agfa
>   > Classic,
>   >   in the darkroom I used Kodak Ektalure paper
> and it
>   >   would tone a gorgeous golden brown with brown
>   > toner.
>   >   I'm going to try the MIS VMS inks and see what
> I
>   > get
>   >   from them. Thanks again.
>   >   Evelyn
>   >   --- "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@...>"
>   >   <elliebrown@...> wrote:
>   >   > Evelyn the tone of my Cone carbon sepia
> prints
>   > on
>   >   > the Photo Rag 308 is 
>   >   > almost identical to the tone of my silver
> prints
>   >   > printed on Agfa Classic toned 
>   >   > on Kodak Brown Toner.  The carbon sepia tone
> is
>   > the
>   >   > most beautiful brown 
>   >   > tone I've ever seen--a rich very warm brown
> that
>   > is
>   >   > not plagued with the 
>   >   > greenish/yellow/orange tint of many sepia
> prints
>   >   > done with other inks/media/
>   >   > toners, etc.  eleanor
>   >   > 
>   >   > 
>   >   > --- In
>   > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
>   >   > Evelyn Grant <
>   >   > ingamom@y...> wrote:
>   >   > > Eleanor,
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > I am using the piezotone carbon sepia with
>   > Photo
>   >   > Rag
>   >   > > 308 and I'm not seeing any real brown
> tones.
>   > Are
>   >   > you
>   >   > > getting really brown prints or are they
> just
>   > warm
>   >   > > black & whites?
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > Evelyn
>   >   > > --- "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@a...>"
>   >   > > <elliebrown@a...> wrote:
>   >   > > > I have been struggling with what to do
> with
>   >   > digital
>   >   > > > black and white
>   >   > > > printing (I'm 
>   >   > > > a silver printer at heart) for a long
> time
>   > and
>   >   > with
>   >   > > > the advent of the
>   >   > > > new cone 
>   >   > > > piezotone carbon sepia and selenium inks
> I
>   > will
>   >   > > > probably sell my
>   >   > > > darkroom 
>   >   > > > equipment in the near future.  the tone
> of
>   > these
>   >   > > > inks is nothing
>   >   > > > short of 
>   >   > > > exquisite on the Ham. Photo Rag 308 and
> the
>   >   > Kodak
>   >   > > > Ultima Satin.  The 
>   >   > > > Kodak paper allows the inks to dry and
> the
>   > ink
>   >   > > > doesn't rub off but
>   >   > > > this smooth 
>   >   > > > surface satin paper does need to be
> sprayed
>   > or
>   >   > > > brushed with a
>   >   > > > lacquer.  and 
>   >   > > > of course the Photo Rag 308 is awesome.
>   >   > > > 
>   >   > > > My 1280 printer is working well with
> these
>   > inks
>   >   > and
> 
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