Digital BW, The Print

I just read the description on Reed Photo's web site and they must have 
figured some way around the limits. I will be making some phone calls to 
the sales people at the various digital printer manufactures first thing 
Wednesday morning to find out why I have been misled. I have been 
wanting to offer this service in my lab for well over two years.

Red-faced,
Mark



Mark Savoia wrote:

> From all the research I have done, you could not use real black & white
> papers on a lightjet. It prints with three colors and not a long enough
> exposure since black & white papers have slower ISOs. Unless everyone I
> have talked to at the major manufactures of digital to traditional
> photographic papers equipment has been lying to me, I was under the
> assumption it can not be done. Are you sure they are not printing on a
> paper that requires RA-4 processing. Also I believe all of those types
> of printers will only take rolls and not cut sheets therefor limiting
> paper choices from Kodak or Ilford to multigrade RCs. I don't think
> either have graded papers in rolls anymore.
> Mark
>
> mh wrote:
>
> > I contacted reed by phone and they verified that they do use their
> > LightJets with traditional B&W paper with traditional chemistry. Looks
> > to be about 8 times the cost of the cheap frontier output on Fuji
> > Crystal Archive so I won't go going that route very often.
> >
> > Here are the costs:
> > 8x10  $16.00
> > 11x14  $21.25
> > 16x20  $31.50
> > 20x24  $40.50
> >
> > Julian, I would like to hear more about your research regarding moving
> > from GS to RGB and the lightjet samples. Are you attempting to get as
> > neutral a print as possible or are you trying to tone it somewhat to
> > get a more pleasing result?
> >
> > -mh
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian Thomas" <
> > julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > > However they still need rgb files and it is processed in colour
> > chemistry
> > > which is why I still class it as a 'colour-type' paper. You cannot
> > give them
> > > a greyscale file. How you convert your file from greyscale to rgb
> > isn't as
> > > easy as a straight PS move - I've spent a loooong time researching
> > this and
> > > getting samples. All labs can print on BW RGB paper but this is not a
> > > straight equivalent to even an RC BW paper. very good results are
> > possible
> > > but it is not the same as a BW FB analogue print.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> > > Julian
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <mh@t...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] How neutral are your B&W prints on the
> > Epson 2200?
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian 
> Thomas" <
> > > > julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > > > > Don't forget though that lightjets/lambdas are RGB devices and
> > even the
> > > BW
> > > > > is a RC colour 'type' paper. Classic BW FB isn't possible. Still
> > looks
> > > great
> > > > > though!
> > > > >
> > > > > Julian
> > > >
> > > > It appears that reedphoto.com does print on traditional Black and
> > White
> > > > papers with their Lightjets. This is the first company that I have
> > seen
> > > > that does this and wish more would. I assumed it wasn't possible 
> since
> > > > I had never heard of a company doing it. Given the relatively 
> low cost
> > > > for a Frontier, I would have thought a lot of labs would have
> > dedicated
> > > > one to black and white printing. But I guess everyone is happy
> > with B&W
> > > > on color paper; yet another "improvement" digital has forced 
> upon us.
> > > >
> > > > I would be fine with color paper if it had a coating that looked 
> like
> > > > fiber B&W glossy. Neither Glossy or "semi-matte" in Crytal Archive
> > look
> > > > right for any B&W image of mine, even toned or duotoned.  Anyone 
> know
> > > > if Fuji makes a true matte color paper?
> > > >
> > > > -mh
> >
> >
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