Digital BW, The Print

martin, it seems to me that if you are looking for a multigrade 'look' the
'best' answer is a 1280 with the new MIS inks and either a curves workflow
or the new IJC software. Lyson dyes shift colour too much and are not
neutral from what I've seen. The only neutral dye prints I've seen are from
Ilford BW inks which you can buy in bulk and use with a cis.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "martinshakeshaft" <martin.shakeshaft@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Neutral black and white prints with the Epson
2100/2200?


> I know from the archive that this subject has been covered before but
> I have still to see a definitive answer.
>
> Is it possible to get neutral black and white prints with the Epson
> 2100/2200?
>
> Well here I am one box of paper down and I have still to see a black
> and white print that I like!
>
> Straight out of the box I find the black and white prints I am
> getting are too magenta, especially with the Semi gloss paper samples
> included with the printer. So I tried Ilford Smooth Gloss. These were
> a bit better but still not what I wanted. I have surfed around the
> net for advice, including Redriver and luminous-landscape and whilst
> the quality improves when I hold my prints next to a traditional
> darkroom print the differences are all too depressingly obvious.
> There are colour casts in some tonal ranges.....
>
> So I turned to the Grey Balancer. Several prints later and a lot less
> ink and I still don't appear to be any further on towards a totally
> neutral, Ilford Multigrade looking print.
>
> Even prints printed with black ink only are not neutral, they look
> slightly cyan in the darker tonal ranges.
>
> I phoned Lyson Inks who say a Black and white set of inks will be
> available in the next couple of weeks for the 2100/2200, so is this
> my only answer? I am disappointed if this is the route I have to take
> as I did want to be able to print colour and black and white, but
> black and white is my bread and butter work at the moment.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
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