Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sdmey4@a... wrote:
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> Ok I guess I'am referring to Commercial Photographers! Ad shooters, 
products, 
> catolouges, the perfect stuff! With the perfect studio lighting!
> The ones I see and know doing this type of work are very picky, and 
the ones 
> that cause the rest of us to raise the bar on quality.
> I don't mean the Gal at Penneys doing portraits, although she may 
be very 
> good, this is not the kind of pro I have in my mind.
> Those that do different shoots every day, under difficult 
conditions, and 
> deliver day in day out and make a living as
>  well as pay there enormous studio lease payments. I agree "pro" 
is  
> Subjective statement.

Steve,

I think that commercial photographers have done some of the very best 
art photography while doing commercial assignments. My mother was a 
great commercial artist and fine arts painter. I really hate it when 
people dismiss commercial work because it was made for money. This 
used to be the attitude in fine art galleries and museums. (I hope 
that has changed.)

I just look at each work or body of work on its own merits. If the 
photograph moves me or touches me then for me it is a good work of 
art and I respect the photographer. I think it is a very personal 
reaction and that I want to resist the idea of prejudgment of the 
quality based upon the source. Even if someone well known that I 
really admire handed me a print and asked me what I thought, I would 
like to think that I would react to the image on its own strengths 
and weaknesses separately from who made it.

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> >  With all the work 
> > >behind you, how do you feel about the final results comparing 
the MIS 
> > >prints to the Piezo prints?
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> >  Generally I'am pleased with the MIS inks on the 7000, (non VM 
HEXTONES)The 
> > one thing I really dont like is the tone of the prints in 
daylight! They 
> > are kind 
> of greenish!(subjective) The exact opposite of Piezo, but they are 
darn right 
> gorgeous in tungsten lighting. Piezo has 
> a slight advantage of being  non green in both lighting conditions. 
This 
> could be the attraction of the Varible ink sets.

I see the same metamerism with the MIS VM. Thanks for the data point 
on the MIS Original. I thought the blue-green cast in sunlight with 
the VM might be due to the toner ink. Looks really great under my 
tungsten and halogen floods. The opposite metamerism of Piezo for me. 
I love Piezo in daylight. The effect varies with paper, like Piezo, 
and with the ink tone curve you choose. Checking Bernd's MIS FS 
prints, they seem to have less metamerism than MIS VM or Piezo but in 
the same direction as Piezo. Perception of these metamerisms seem to 
really vary from person to person so I can only speak for my set of 
eyeballs and note that they are often very, very slight.
 
> The exhibit I'am hanging the MIS prints in is not a huge commercial 
exhibit 
> so I'am talking the opportunity to show ink.
> They will either steal the show or embarress me, There are two 
other xray 
> silver printers in this one.  but I just about always take more 
risk than the 
> normal guy would.

I salute you for taking inkjet to the masses and trust that the 
quality of your prints and the strength of your images will prevail. 
I can't really imagine any of your stuff being an embarrassment!

> The MIS epson 7000 combo delivers more contrast, the piezo 3000 I 
use prints 
> darker. 

I think Tyler mentioned that nothing lays down ink for a good Dmax 
like the 3000. 

Right now I'am enjoying the slight pop in contrast which is good for 
> my work,
> But my new stuff(camera based polaroids)(and old stuff 6x7 
landscapes)will 
> probably be more suited towards piezo. I don't have any issues with 
the piezo 
> tone so eventually I'll be using Piezo pro
> as I think it will better handle a large variety of work, 
Everything from 
> high contrast to long toned platinum looks.
> Risk is fun! 
> Steve M.

Good luck and let us know how show goes.

Martin